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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2018, 09:06:36 PM »
Significant  difference in all aspects of IQ as the ISO goes above 640 on the 5DIV.  Getting by with lower shutter speeds does help.

But in a low-light venue when the subject is gesturing, we just accept we're going to lose some IQ.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #60 on: June 13, 2018, 09:06:36 PM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2018, 10:23:42 PM »
Well, the obvious answer is the 24-70 f/2.8L III will be the same as the II but with newer coatings.

Which I'm sure will make the forum crowd howl with anger :)

but if the lens is white, it will be a major improvement  ;D

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #62 on: June 13, 2018, 10:29:19 PM »
Two professional lenses before Photokina, the most noise/chatter would indicate two of the following:
  • 24-70 IS
  • 135 f/2 II
  • 800 f/5.6 II

That would be great.

Which means we will get an ef 50mm 1.2L II!

Haha, it's the Canon way of doing business - "you will buy what we make, we don't care what the market wants, you will be assimilated."

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #63 on: June 14, 2018, 06:35:55 AM »
If Canon is saving this for Photokina, I hope it will not be just "refresh". My Tamron is slowly falling apart ...
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #64 on: June 14, 2018, 09:39:30 AM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #65 on: June 14, 2018, 11:03:51 AM »
Well, if this lens is updated, it will be a pickle jar regardless of mount.  And we expect EF will work perfectly on day one of any new mirrorless system.

So... I am reading your post to mean "I do not like adaptors".

Which seems a little OT.   ;D

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2018, 11:57:53 AM »
EF is not going anywhere. Period.
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #66 on: June 14, 2018, 11:57:53 AM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #67 on: June 14, 2018, 06:47:17 PM »
EF is not going anywhere. Period.

Bold. I hope you are right.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #68 on: June 14, 2018, 07:58:15 PM »
EF is not going anywhere. Period.

Bold. I hope you are right.

There are three possible outcomes with FF mirrorless:

  • Canon goes thin mount and offers an adaptor.  All EF works perfectly.
  • Canon goes full EF mount.  All EF works perfectly.
  • Canon severs its own leg: it goes thin mount and prevents EF from working -- either by design or by not offering an adaptor.

The third option is beyond improbable, so EF will live on.  Canon has no intention or incentive to 'A Mount' the EF portfolio into retirement unless they are putting something blindingly ahead-of-its-time in the new body -- like curved sensors or something.  I don't see that happening.

Also, why on earth would Canon roll the dice (with option 3 above) that all existing users will buy new different lenses for a mirrorless system?  I'm sure they'd much rather sell pricey FF body to every EF user than convince a few users to start a new mount's lens collection.  Again:  EF lives under that thinking.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2018, 10:55:03 PM »
EF is not going anywhere. Period.

Bold. I hope you are right.

There are three possible outcomes with FF mirrorless:

  • Canon goes thin mount and offers an adaptor.  All EF works perfectly.
  • Canon goes full EF mount.  All EF works perfectly.
  • Canon severs its own leg: it goes thin mount and prevents EF from working -- either by design or by not offering an adaptor.

The third option is beyond improbable, so EF will live on.  Canon has no intention or incentive to 'A Mount' the EF portfolio into retirement unless they are putting something blindingly ahead-of-its-time in the new body -- like curved sensors or something.  I don't see that happening.

Also, why on earth would Canon roll the dice (with option 3 above) that all existing users will buy new different lenses for a mirrorless system?  I'm sure they'd much rather sell pricey FF body to every EF user than convince a few users to start a new mount's lens collection.  Again:  EF lives under that thinking.

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If Canon goes with the third option, I have a prediction: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=35192.0
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2018, 03:38:36 AM »
There are three possible outcomes with FF mirrorless:

  • Canon goes thin mount and offers an adaptor.  All EF works perfectly.
  • Canon goes full EF mount.  All EF works perfectly.

Option 1: Canon goes thin mount and offers a simple little adaptor. All legacy EF works perfectly the same as it does in on a DSLR in Live View.
Both large and smaller size/lighter cameras as well as smaller lenses for most commonly used focal length range are possible.
Canon can compete with all competitive offers: smaller gear to people who want smaller/lighter gear for their main or secondary setup. Larger cameras to those who prefer DSLR-sized cameras.
Canon lens sales will take off for many years to come as new customers enter the new mount system and existing customers upgrade to fully mirrorless-optimized lenses over time.


Option 2: Canon goes full EF mount. All legacy EF works perfectly the same as it does in on a DSLR in Live View.
Significantly smaller/lighter gear is not possible.
Canon camera sales will be severely limited to a small minority of people who want "chunky" cameras.
Canon lens sales will be severly limited to those people willing to buy iterated Mark # updates and occasional new lens releases.


Now, what are the odds for Canon chosing option 1 or option 2 ? :-)
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2018, 04:05:23 AM »
Well, if this lens is updated, it will be a pickle jar regardless of mount.  And we expect EF will work perfectly on day one of any new mirrorless system.

So... I am reading your post to mean "I do not like adaptors".

Which seems a little OT.   ;D

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Or perhaps Ken's post means: I do not care about mirrorless?

As I have said before, I will wait and see what comes out but I expect to be a hard sell on mirrorless, and particularly full frame mirrorless. If I went mirrorless at this point it would only be because I wanted something really small and light (generally along the lines of Canon's existing M system). No idea how many other people think similarly, of course.
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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2018, 06:02:24 AM »
Option 1: Canon goes thin mount and offers a simple little adaptor. All legacy EF works perfectly the same as it does in on a DSLR in Live View.
Both large and smaller size/lighter cameras as well as smaller lenses for most commonly used focal length range are possible.
I don't think it is true. Sufficiently smaller FF "mirrorless" lenses require tilted sensor microlenses, which are unlikely to work well with DPAF using "legacy" EF lenses for off-center subjects.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2018, 06:02:24 AM »

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2018, 06:28:47 AM »
innovative Canon will sort it out. But one thing is clear: whichever way Canon goes with FF mirrorless, existing EF-lenses will be "legacy" and will perform within the limitations of phase-AF-optimized lenses in "live view mode".

Legacy EF glass [with the possible exception of the few recent STM and Nano-USM EF lenses and maybe the latest updates of some USM lenses] will not be on par with new, mirrorless-DPAF-optimized lenses in terms of AF functionality and performance. btw. nothing to do with mount adapter, but with AF drive and lens-protocol implementation in existing DSLR/Phase-AF-optimized EF glass. 

Of course it also helps Canon sell (more) new lenses. :-)

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2018, 07:11:37 AM »
innovative Canon will sort it out. But one thing is clear: whichever way Canon goes with FF mirrorless, existing EF-lenses will be "legacy" and will perform within the limitations of phase-AF-optimized lenses in "live view mode".
No, it is not "clear", you are begging the question here. There is a better alternative: Canon continues with the EF mount as its main mount, until the problems that are presented by microlenses are solved, and then Canon can make an even thinner mount without compromising the AF quality of its fast telephoto lenses.

Legacy EF glass [with the possible exception of the few recent STM and Nano-USM EF lenses and maybe the latest updates of some USM lenses] will not be on par with new, mirrorless-DPAF-optimized lenses in terms of AF functionality and performance. btw. nothing to do with mount adapter, but with AF drive and lens-protocol implementation in existing DSLR/Phase-AF-optimized EF glass. 
You seem to be confused.

DPAF is a phase-detect AF. It just tries to use the same sensor for both image recording and phase detection. By the nature of such compromise, it cannot be better than a dedicated phase-detect sensor. If lenses need special "DPAF optimization" for it, that means that it is the DPAF that is not on par with the dedicated sensor approach.

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Re: Updated EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II on the Horizon? [CR1]
« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2018, 07:11:37 AM »