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Author Topic: Industry News: Nikon Announces Development of AF-S Nikkor 500mm f/5.6E PF ED VR  (Read 2071 times)

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Announced crisply at midnight eastern at a number of sites:

Source 1:  https://www.thephoblographer.com/2018/06/14/coming-soon-the-nikon-af-s-nikkor-500mm-f5-6e-pf-ed-vr/
(note, the pics at the link above are of the 300 f/4 PF lens -- there are no pics of the 500 out in the wild yet.)

Source 2:  https://www.dpreview.com/news/7758816413/nikon-developing-compact-and-lightweight-500mm-f5-6-lens

Source 3:  https://www.slrlounge.com/nikon-500mm-f5-6-prime-lens-development/

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That’s a very interesting lens, and makes Nikon very attractive to bird and wild life photographers in combination with the D500. I’d guess a 95mm filter size and under 2 kg. It probably won’t take a 1.4xTC well with a high megapixel crop or full frame sensor as f/8 is above the diffraction limited aperture - my experience is that going to f/8 with the 5DSR hits the law of diminishing returns.  And f/5.6 with a 2xTC isn’t of much use. So, a 500/5.6 would be used mainly as the bare lens.

The Canon 400mm DO II f/4 is much more versatile. 400/4 gives a wider and brighter field of view. With a 1.4xTC it gives a 560/5.6,which beats the Nikon for length. And with a 2xTC gives an excellent 800/8 with the 5DIV and 1DX, both of which don’t take much of a hit going to f/8.
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Now photorumours has also posted it:
https://photorumors.com/2018/06/14/nikon-announced-the-development-of-a-new-500mm-f-5-6e-pf-ed-vr-lens/#more-99004

Really wished Canon would have brought out a 500mm F5.6 IS USM lens to replace their ageing 400mm f5.6 USM. Nikon shooters already have a good budget option of 200-500mm f5.6 lens and now in future maybe a 500 f/5.6. Birders from Nikon camp are going to be very happy and even some budget Canon shooter will be switch over. 
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For those curious why a PF is such a big deal, compare the specs of their 300 f/4 vs. their 300 f/4 PF:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Specifications.aspx?Lens=1040&LensComp=651

The PF version is about half the weight and 2/3 the length of the standard (non-PF) design.  I'm no optics whiz, but as I understand it this is Nikon's riff on a DO design.

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You are preaching to the converted. I feel very frustrated by Canon for bird photography. The D500 is streets ahead of the 7DII and the 300/4 PF is a great little lens. Fortunately, we have the 100-400mm II and the 400mm DO II. But, a new lightweight 400/5.6 and an up-to-date 7DIII would be so useful.  (The 100-400mm II is a much better and lighter lens than the Nikon 200-500mm, which focusses slowly and a bit weak at the longer end, unlike the Canon which is blisteringly fast focussing.)

Actually, the weight difference between the the two Nikon 300mm lenses is not due just to the Fresnel lens but the previous 300 is a very old-fashioned clunky great metal object with no rear element whereas the PF has a plastic body and uses a more modern shorter lens design with a rear element. The Canon 400mm DO II is of very similar size to the 300mm/2.8 II and weighs only 250g less. It will be interesting to see if Nikon uses a high grade body like the Canon or goes in for a low cost lightweight plastic much cheaper competitor.
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Now photorumours has also posted it:
https://photorumors.com/2018/06/14/nikon-announced-the-development-of-a-new-500mm-f-5-6e-pf-ed-vr-lens/#more-99004

Really wished Canon would have brought out a 500mm F5.6 IS USM lens to replace their ageing 400mm f5.6 USM. Nikon shooters already have a good budget option of 200-500mm f5.6 lens and now in future maybe a 500 f/5.6. Birders from Nikon camp are going to be very happy and even some budget Canon shooter will be switch over.

There is a great 400mm option that is small, compact and has amazing IQ: the 400 DO. I can only assume a 500 DO would be a 5.6 lens too. It would not be a budget option, but who says the Nikon version will be cheap?

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Judging by the year of release, Canon replaced the 400mm f/5.6 with the 400mm f/4 DO didn't they?

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Judging by the year of release, Canon replaced the 400mm f/5.6 with the 400mm f/4 DO didn't they?

The DO 400 f/4 was not a replacement for the 400mm f/5.6: the DO is a much higher price league; and Canon has continued to sell both in parallel.
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Nikon's 300 PF is $2,000. A 500 PF would probably be around that or more?
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It's worth noting that the Canon 400mm f/4 DO II takes a minimal hit on MTF on adding a 1.4xTCIII and is, in fact, slightly sharper at 560mm f/5.6 than the 100-400mm II at 400mm f5.6.

https://www.lenstip.com/509.4-Lens_review-Canon_EF_400_mm_f_4_DO_IS_II_USM_Image_resolution.html

https://www.lenstip.com/439.4-Lens_review-Canon_EF_100-400_mm_f_4.5-5.6L_IS_II_USM_Image_resolution.html

The measurements are in accord with my own observations that the DO at 560mm is tack sharp whereas the 100-400mm II takes a significant hit with 1.4xTCIII and so I tend to use that lens without the TC.
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Nikon's 300 PF is $2,000. A 500 PF would probably be around that or more?

If it's $2000, I'd buy one plus D500. My guess would be $5-7k, unless it is compromised for a low price.
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Nikon's 300 PF is $2,000. A 500 PF would probably be around that or more?

If it's $2000, I'd buy one plus D500. My guess would be $5-7k, unless it is compromised for a low price.

1) 300 f/4 PF = $2k --> these lenses are not built like Canon's DO lenses. 

2) 200-500 f/5.6 = $1400 --> a larger front element lens doesn't have to cost a mint.

1 + 2 = I'm not convinced that this lens will be anywhere near $5-7k.

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I do really hope all of this activity by Nikon spurs Canon to really step up the game in the 7DIII and 500 f5.6 market.

I think the 7DII is a much better camera than many people give it credit for, but it still can certainly stand to be updated and improved. We've been waiting a long time for the rumored 150-600 or 150-500 competitor to Nikon/Sigma/Tamron.

I've been vocal about wanting something more than just a cheap Canon-branded version of these bargain lenses and still feel that a 150-500 f5.6 or a 500 f5.6 prime with L quality would be worth paying double what the Nikon bargain lens sells for.
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Nikon's 300 PF is $2,000. A 500 PF would probably be around that or more?

If it's $2000, I'd buy one plus D500. My guess would be $5-7k, unless it is compromised for a low price.

1) 300 f/4 PF = $2k --> these lenses are not built like Canon's DO lenses. 

2) 200-500 f/5.6 = $1400 --> a larger front element lens doesn't have to cost a mint.

1 + 2 = I'm not convinced that this lens will be anywhere near $5-7k.

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It depends on the market segment they are aiming at. They could build it down to a price and knock out something cheap with weaknesses or they could mimic Canon and go for the quality market. If you want a cheap Nikkor 500, the 200-500 zoom is currently available. I now see about 6 birders a week with D500/200-500s but only one 300mm PF in the past two years.
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It depends on the market segment they are aiming at. They could build it down to a price and knock out something cheap with weaknesses or they could mimic Canon and go for the quality market. If you want a cheap Nikkor 500, the 200-500 zoom is currently available. I now see about 6 birders a week with D500/200-500s but only one 300mm PF in the past two years.

Correct.  The question is:  who is this being aimed at?

DO for Canon is being aimed at very serious customers who see great value in less weight / size of a top class instrument.

PF for Nikon (so far, N of 1) seems to be for intermediates/enthusiasts at a reasonable-ish price point.

One could see this new lens as Nikon's long long long awaited answer to the EF 400mm f/5.6L USM, aka the affordable 'gateway drug' of L lens addiction.  Nikon's never had that long affordable prime before.  This could be it, though surely more than the 200-500's $1400 asking price.

Or one could see Nikon making this thing a really high end 400 DO II-like instrument for their heavyweight wildlifers.  We'll see.

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