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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 06:34:07 PM »
My list:

min 36Mpx, no AA filter, stacked sensor.
Global shutter. True silent shooting in EVF mode.
hybrid OVF/EVF
Dual UHS-3 full speed SD slots

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2018, 06:34:07 PM »

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2018, 06:41:40 PM »

I skipped the 5D4 because I couldn't see enough IQ improvement (I know others think different).
Give me at least noticeably better IQ and some smaller tweaks at a reasonable price.
Then this time I'm in.

I am not seeing much in the way of IQ improvements these days from anyone. More res is not an IQ improvement for me. The difference between my 5DsR and mkIV is easily masked by a bit of sharpening in the mkIV files. I suspect that if the mkIV had no AA filter it would look as sharp even at large print sizes.

I hear people ask for more DR but I still have not had a situation where I had to drag the shadows up 5+stops.

to me 5d4 was one of those looks boring on paper but you really feel the difference when you use it type upgrade compared to the 5d3

in terms of image quality due to nicer noise profile (finer, less chroma noise) and more resolution i find it practically i've gained an extra stop in high iso despite overall amount of noise being very similar, the files are also more flexible at higher iso compared to the 5d3, i find i have room for error with the 5d4 even at iso12800 and not quite the case with the 5d3, DR wise i never thought 5d3 didn't have enough but rather when the shadows got pushed even just 1-2 stops sometimes it can get ugly fast, this is where 5d4 does much better

i guess it all depends on personal usage but for someone like me who shoots high contrast scenes a lot (sunrise/set) and also high iso scenarios (poorly lit restaurants, astrophotography) 5d4 was a noticeable improvement personally IQ wise

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2018, 07:43:22 PM »
especially if we are going that route where high data rates are common.

Some people seem to not realize 4K & high fps are niche features.

3000USD+ camera bodies serve a niche market.

4K is probably used 100,000-times more frequently than 35mm sensors.

Hell, my new mid-range Android phone records 4K60fps video

Precisely. As do all recent Apple phones, myriad GoPro and GoPro clones, etc, hence the off the cuff 100,000:1 guess.

If 4K is a niche feature, full frame camera bodies are infinitesimal.

This whole thread is a wishlist for a niche product.

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2018, 08:17:37 PM »
Like 10 FPS, dual CFast or at least on CFast, independent halves of dual pixel for increased DR, 36 MP, 50 shot buffer (cFast will help), AF as good if not better than 1Dx M2

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2018, 08:30:51 PM »
5DMV:
6k 24, 30fps
4k up to 120fps
CMOS Mid 40s-50 MP count, no AA
ISO range of 50-...idc
over 100 focus points spread out better
eye detect auto focus or similar (warning on shot if eye focus wasn't nailed in this mode)
much better recovery of highlights
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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2018, 09:24:48 PM »

I skipped the 5D4 because I couldn't see enough IQ improvement (I know others think different).
Give me at least noticeably better IQ and some smaller tweaks at a reasonable price.
Then this time I'm in.

I am not seeing much in the way of IQ improvements these days from anyone. More res is not an IQ improvement for me. The difference between my 5DsR and mkIV is easily masked by a bit of sharpening in the mkIV files. I suspect that if the mkIV had no AA filter it would look as sharp even at large print sizes.

I hear people ask for more DR but I still have not had a situation where I had to drag the shadows up 5+stops.

to me 5d4 was one of those looks boring on paper but you really feel the difference when you use it type upgrade compared to the 5d3

in terms of image quality due to nicer noise profile (finer, less chroma noise) and more resolution i find it practically i've gained an extra stop in high iso despite overall amount of noise being very similar, the files are also more flexible at higher iso compared to the 5d3, i find i have room for error with the 5d4 even at iso12800 and not quite the case with the 5d3, DR wise i never thought 5d3 didn't have enough but rather when the shadows got pushed even just 1-2 stops sometimes it can get ugly fast, this is where 5d4 does much better

i guess it all depends on personal usage but for someone like me who shoots high contrast scenes a lot (sunrise/set) and also high iso scenarios (poorly lit restaurants, astrophotography) 5d4 was a noticeable improvement personally IQ wise
@basketballfreak6 Nice summary of 5D4 vs 5D3 . Similar to my experience after the upgrade. The quality upgrades are not the sorts of things that the spec sheet necessarily reveals. Especially shadow quality which was comparatively terrible on the 5D3.

5D Mk5 wish list? More incremental improvements, illuminated AF points (I'm so over the black AF points), high iso improvement, DR, number of focus points radically increased, 2019 level touch screen, no megapixel bump-up, same batteries, 10fps, total remake of the video functions. I won't state the obvious with regards to video. It's been discussed to death. 

I see no great rush for the 5D Mk5, I just hope Canon gets it totally right plus a handful of useful surprises.

-pw

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2018, 10:03:42 PM »
Consider:  We haven't had a FF body get 'sequeled' without a > 1 MP resolution bump since the 5D3 some 6 years ago.  I think we should expect a res bump every 4-5 years when these rigs get updated.

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Err, the 1DS MkIII - 1DX - 1DX MkII.

The 1 series isn't back to the same resolution it had two generations ago.

I believe my statement is correct:  1DX --> 1DX2 went up 2 MP, did it not?

As for the 1DS3, it was never sequeled.  The 1DX was a new product line.

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My point wasn't that the 1DX - 1DX MkII didn't go up, it was that the 1DX, which Canon considered the replacement for the 1DS MkIII even if you don't, went down in MP numbers so much that even it's replacement, the 1DX MkII, still doesn't have the resolution the 1DS MkIII had.

Canon considered the 1DX to be the replacement for the 1D MkIV and the 1DS MkIII, they said it over and over again and there is no doubt it is better at everything than it's predecessor bar resolution.
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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2018, 10:03:42 PM »

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2018, 01:54:02 AM »

I skipped the 5D4 because I couldn't see enough IQ improvement (I know others think different).
Give me at least noticeably better IQ and some smaller tweaks at a reasonable price.
Then this time I'm in.

I am not seeing much in the way of IQ improvements these days from anyone. More res is not an IQ improvement for me. The difference between my 5DsR and mkIV is easily masked by a bit of sharpening in the mkIV files. I suspect that if the mkIV had no AA filter it would look as sharp even at large print sizes.

I hear people ask for more DR but I still have not had a situation where I had to drag the shadows up 5+stops.
I suppose you are right.

I am definitely not part in the high res race. Usually I'd be fine with anything above 20 MP.
I am also not in the DR team. I appreciate more DR but I never had the need for 14 over 12 stops.
What I meant is that I suppose that there is potential for better high iso noise level and/or pattern, to increase the performance at - say ISO 3200 to 6400.
sometimes you have to close your eyes to see properly.

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2018, 02:02:24 AM »
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to me 5d4 was one of those looks boring on paper but you really feel the difference when you use it type upgrade compared to the 5d3

in terms of image quality due to nicer noise profile (finer, less chroma noise) and more resolution i find it practically i've gained an extra stop in high iso despite overall amount of noise being very similar, the files are also more flexible at higher iso compared to the 5d3, i find i have room for error with the 5d4 even at iso12800 and not quite the case with the 5d3, DR wise i never thought 5d3 didn't have enough but rather when the shadows got pushed even just 1-2 stops sometimes it can get ugly fast, this is where 5d4 does much better

i guess it all depends on personal usage but for someone like me who shoots high contrast scenes a lot (sunrise/set) and also high iso scenarios (poorly lit restaurants, astrophotography) 5d4 was a noticeable improvement personally IQ wise
@basketballfreak6 Nice summary of 5D4 vs 5D3 . Similar to my experience after the upgrade. The quality upgrades are not the sorts of things that the spec sheet necessarily reveals. Especially shadow quality which was comparatively terrible on the 5D3.

5D Mk5 wish list? More incremental improvements, illuminated AF points (I'm so over the black AF points), high iso improvement, DR, number of focus points radically increased, 2019 level touch screen, no megapixel bump-up, same batteries, 10fps, total remake of the video functions. I won't state the obvious with regards to video. It's been discussed to death. 

I see no great rush for the 5D Mk5, I just hope Canon gets it totally right plus a handful of useful surprises.

-pw
Thanks to you both for your impressions on the 5D4.
I know that there is lots of improvement in the 5D4 over the 3 but all together with the huge price rise (in Europe) it simply wasn't enough for me to say I need to upgrade.
About IQ I am maybe too much lead by reviews not showing enough IQ improvements visible to me.
Of course I didn't have the money and time to do my own research in 5D4 IQ.

Maybe I should do so now  ??? :-\
sometimes you have to close your eyes to see properly.

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2018, 04:03:36 AM »

I skipped the 5D4 because I couldn't see enough IQ improvement (I know others think different).
Give me at least noticeably better IQ and some smaller tweaks at a reasonable price.
Then this time I'm in.

I am not seeing much in the way of IQ improvements these days from anyone. More res is not an IQ improvement for me. The difference between my 5DsR and mkIV is easily masked by a bit of sharpening in the mkIV files. I suspect that if the mkIV had no AA filter it would look as sharp even at large print sizes.

I hear people ask for more DR but I still have not had a situation where I had to drag the shadows up 5+stops.

to me 5d4 was one of those looks boring on paper but you really feel the difference when you use it type upgrade compared to the 5d3

in terms of image quality due to nicer noise profile (finer, less chroma noise) and more resolution i find it practically i've gained an extra stop in high iso despite overall amount of noise being very similar, the files are also more flexible at higher iso compared to the 5d3, i find i have room for error with the 5d4 even at iso12800 and not quite the case with the 5d3, DR wise i never thought 5d3 didn't have enough but rather when the shadows got pushed even just 1-2 stops sometimes it can get ugly fast, this is where 5d4 does much better

i guess it all depends on personal usage but for someone like me who shoots high contrast scenes a lot (sunrise/set) and also high iso scenarios (poorly lit restaurants, astrophotography) 5d4 was a noticeable improvement personally IQ wise
@basketballfreak6 Nice summary of 5D4 vs 5D3 . Similar to my experience after the upgrade. The quality upgrades are not the sorts of things that the spec sheet necessarily reveals. Especially shadow quality which was comparatively terrible on the 5D3.

one thing i failed to mention about improved image quality as well is the improved auto white balance, it just does so much of a better job compared to the 5d3 particularly when it comes to odd or heavily tungsten lighting, big difference there compared to the 5d3 and that's even before activating white priority awb

Thanks to you both for your impressions on the 5D4.
I know that there is lots of improvement in the 5D4 over the 3 but all together with the huge price rise (in Europe) it simply wasn't enough for me to say I need to upgrade.
About IQ I am maybe too much lead by reviews not showing enough IQ improvements visible to me.
Of course I didn't have the money and time to do my own research in 5D4 IQ.

Maybe I should do so now  ??? :-\

you know what i definitely agree with you regards to launch price, it was definitely too high imho, and i paid for it at launch too because i figured i had an upcoming wedding that'd would pay for it (well chunk of it anyway lol  ::) ) which ended up being cancelled due to death in the family  :'(

but i have no regrets with the upgrade tho for sure, to me the noticeably improved IQ (for me), DPAF (i use it way more than i thought i would), even that one extra button they added improved useability for me, i feel like while reviews are often good resources to get some info quite a few of them are like "lab tests" and are not being used and pushed out in the field so i do often take it with a grain of salt

i reckon definitely go play with one if you ever get a chance, maybe even rent it out for a day to see how you like the body

but before straying too far off topic, i would love to see af point linked spot metering in the 5DV, articulating screen (those that shoot deep sky would understand why having a articulating screen would be a godsend, even just normal landscapes at times when you're setup at tricky locations), and general improvements such as better af, high iso and dr will always be welcome, oh and maybe some form of hybrid viewfinder might be pretty cool haha and high speed sd slots please there is no excuse to be stuck at UHS-1

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2018, 04:25:36 AM »
I regularly use 2 bodies at an event (currently 1D series & 5D series). What I want/need most of all is:

1. Feature parity for all software/menu items (e.g. Spot metering off centre AF point)
2. Two card slots that are the same (SD/SD, CF/CF or CFast/CFast)
3. Card slots that are common between 1D/5D

I don't expect the cameras to have feature-parity (megapixels & frame-rate being the most obvious), in fact it's better that they don't. Use the 1DX for fast sports action - better with less megapixels to manage afterwards. Use the 5D4 where a crop in post is likely, the ISO needs to be higher or a high frame rate is not as important.

I've stopped using the 1DX & 1DC together, because they are 'too similar', yet don't share all the same options (1DX has firmware 2.x with several useful additions; 1DC has been limited to firmware 1.x). This creates a cognitive dissonance (senile confusion), which doesn't happen when I use the 5D as the 2nd (or 1st camera).

Canon should recognise that Pros don't just use the 1-series (the MacBook works the same as an iMac or Mac Pro, only it has the tilt-flippy...), so please provide software feature-parity.

I don't envisage ever going back to using 2 1-series bodies for an event, I feel that I'm better supported with more specialist tools that give a greater of options.

I'm really happy with the 5D4, probably won't get the Mark V, but if the only new feature was dual CF, it would be very tempting from a card management perspective. Although I actually get better transfers with the SD card.

I'm not techie enough to know if CFast is 'the future' or just another Betamax? How about dual SD for the Mark V, and the 1DX Mark III?
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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2018, 04:45:42 AM »
The IV got the focus system from the 1DX ii, including the better cross points and f8 compatibility.  The better AF system was my reason to upgrade from iii to IV.

If history repeats the 1DXiii will debut a newer AF System and the V will get it, maybe 6 months later.

Resolution wise I find that the files from the IV look acceptable to me when cropped to 160% or so enlargement for the most part.  More MP might push that up toward 200%, sadly I’ve not had the chance to try 5DSR files to get a feel for their enlargement potential for my satisfaction.
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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 06:49:10 AM »
especially if we are going that route where high data rates are common.

Some people seem to not realize 4K & high fps are niche features.

3000USD+ camera bodies serve a niche market.

4K is probably used 100,000-times more frequently than 35mm sensors.

Hell, my new mid-range Android phone records 4K60fps video

Precisely. As do all recent Apple phones, myriad GoPro and GoPro clones, etc, hence the off the cuff 100,000:1 guess.

If 4K is a niche feature, full frame camera bodies are infinitesimal.

This whole thread is a wishlist for a niche product.

There's a difference between cameras having a feature, and the feature actually being used.

I have a Galaxy Samsung S8 that can shoot 4K video. I never use it, I don't have a 4K display, and don't plan to buy one.

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2018, 06:49:10 AM »

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2018, 09:57:01 AM »
especially if we are going that route where high data rates are common.

Some people seem to not realize 4K & high fps are niche features.

3000USD+ camera bodies serve a niche market.

4K is probably used 100,000-times more frequently than 35mm sensors.

Hell, my new mid-range Android phone records 4K60fps video

Precisely. As do all recent Apple phones, myriad GoPro and GoPro clones, etc, hence the off the cuff 100,000:1 guess.

If 4K is a niche feature, full frame camera bodies are infinitesimal.

This whole thread is a wishlist for a niche product.

There's a difference between cameras having a feature, and the feature actually being used.

I have a Galaxy Samsung S8 that can shoot 4K video. I never use it, I don't have a 4K display, and don't plan to buy one.

Of course there is. If I were merely considering owning the device, the pulled-from-my-arse ratio would be even more skewed. As it is, even considering use, I expect it’s undercutting 4K usage in the action camera area and dashcam area alone.

Now, people seeking out high quality 4K machines with proper codecs and formats for significant use, sure that’s a rarity.

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 10:19:53 AM »
especially if we are going that route where high data rates are common.

Some people seem to not realize 4K & high fps are niche features.

3000USD+ camera bodies serve a niche market.

4K is probably used 100,000-times more frequently than 35mm sensors.

Hell, my new mid-range Android phone records 4K60fps video

Precisely. As do all recent Apple phones, myriad GoPro and GoPro clones, etc, hence the off the cuff 100,000:1 guess.

If 4K is a niche feature, full frame camera bodies are infinitesimal.

This whole thread is a wishlist for a niche product.

There's a difference between cameras having a feature, and the feature actually being used.

I have a Galaxy Samsung S8 that can shoot 4K video. I never use it, I don't have a 4K display, and don't plan to buy one.

Of course there is. If I were merely considering owning the device, the pulled-from-my-arse ratio would be even more skewed. As it is, even considering use, I expect it’s undercutting 4K usage in the action camera area and dashcam area alone.

People care about 4K dashcam like I care about S8 having 4K. They buy whatever's on the shelve.

Now, people seeking out high quality 4K machines with proper codecs and formats for significant use, sure that’s a rarity.

If they weren't that rare, Canon wouldn't have left their money on the table.

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Re: 5D Mark V wish list
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2018, 10:19:53 AM »