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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2018, 10:10:09 AM »
I'm quite happy with the 80D to be honest.. it's a really decent camera.

The 80D is actually an excellent all rounder, it really is.  The problem is the rest of the manufacturers are moving faster than Canon is willing to so the competition is just more excellent-er in what they are releasing. 

AND, this is the important bit, Canon has totally fallen down on APS-C or EF-M lenses.  I can buy the argument to using EF lenses on the APS-C DSLR's but not so much on mirrorless.  No one wants to use a FF lens + adapter on a little body and this is something Sony and Fuji have done much better than Canon. 

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2018, 10:10:09 AM »

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2018, 10:15:02 AM »
yes, my 80D is so many years behind all the technology of today's camera's I have to use decades old lenses on it to get any kind of decent images with it.............




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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2018, 10:43:08 AM »
The 80D is actually an excellent all rounder, it really is.  The problem is the rest of the manufacturers are moving faster than Canon is willing to so the competition is just more excellent-er in what they are releasing. 
AND, this is the important bit, Canon has totally fallen down on APS-C or EF-M lenses.  I can buy the argument to using EF lenses on the APS-C DSLR's but not so much on mirrorless.  No one wants to use a FF lens + adapter on a little body and this is something Sony and Fuji have done much better than Canon.

Agree with your first, general statement.

Don't agree on with you re. Canon EF-S and EF-M lens lineup. Of course these are mostly "consumer-focused" zooms and only a few moderately fast primes. Perfectly targeted to the user group, their wallets and their desire to not lug around big, heavy gear. (Almost) all EF-S and EF-M lenses are at least "optically decent", some are  to "outstanding". Especially considering the affordable prices. 

Overall, I consider the Canon EF-S lineup clearly better than the Nikon DX lens lineup. A few highlights either side, a few dogs as well. 

Overall, I consider Canon EF-M superior to the entire universe of lenses for Sony E-mount. They are many, but only few are as good and/or as affordable as those compact EF-M lenses. Nothing in Sony E-mount land can touch Canon EF-M 22/2. - with or without Zeiss label on it. And this for only 150 Euro!

Canon EF-S and EF-M lineups are almost complete for any lens that can be made more compact than EF lenses thanks to smaller APS-C image circle + shorter FFD for EOS M. Only prime lens "missing" is a compact EF-M portrait tele, e.g. a EF-M 85/2.4 IS STM. :-)

Now, do I sound like a "Canapologist", or what?  ;D

PS: EOS 90D? Mainly for the remaining "n00bs" who still believe "only a DSLR takes good images". 7D series is a slightly different story. But Rebels and all xxDs ? Even Canon EOS M50 runs circles around them. Today. :-)
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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2018, 11:27:57 AM »
this is the important bit, Canon has totally fallen down on APS-C or EF-M lenses.

no they haven't. the vast majority of the world doesn't care about primes.

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2018, 11:34:54 AM »
I'm quite happy with the 80D to be honest.. it's a really decent camera.

The 80D is actually an excellent all rounder, it really is.  The problem is the rest of the manufacturers are moving faster than Canon is willing to so the competition is just more excellent-er in what they are releasing. 

AND, this is the important bit, Canon has totally fallen down on APS-C or EF-M lenses.  I can buy the argument to using EF lenses on the APS-C DSLR's but not so much on mirrorless.  No one wants to use a FF lens + adapter on a little body and this is something Sony and Fuji have done much better than Canon.

So what M lenses would it take to make you happy?

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2018, 12:06:23 PM »
So what M lenses would it take to make you happy?

that's the right question to ask. Normally I don't hear anything back then. No matter if I ask here or dpreview staffers or Thom Hogan - who all love to say "EF-M lens lineup sucks". :-)

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2018, 12:40:20 PM »
How about some constant f4 zooms and f1.4 primes?  The M5 and M6 are so small that I cannot put a EF or EFS lens on it. 

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2018, 12:40:20 PM »

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2018, 12:41:39 PM »
I'm quite happy with the 80D to be honest.. it's a really decent camera.

The 80D is actually an excellent all rounder, it really is.  The problem is the rest of the manufacturers are moving faster than Canon is willing to so the competition is just more excellent-er in what they are releasing. 

AND, this is the important bit, Canon has totally fallen down on APS-C or EF-M lenses.  I can buy the argument to using EF lenses on the APS-C DSLR's but not so much on mirrorless.  No one wants to use a FF lens + adapter on a little body and this is something Sony and Fuji have done much better than Canon.

Canon understands the target market for their cameras - something far too many folks on this forum fail to do.  Their APS-C cameras are meant for an average camera user who will buy 2 maybe 3 affordable zoom lenses.  They could spend a lot of money and time making more primes, but if you were Canon, would you do it if it meant you would probably lose money on lenses that sold only a very minimal number?

It's so easy to ask for things or make demands when it's not your money that's involved.   

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2018, 12:44:43 PM »
How about some constant f4 zooms and f1.4 primes?  The M5 and M6 are so small that I cannot put a EF or EFS lens on it. 

Because the target market won't buy those.  And the size, especially of those f/1.4 primes, will still be an issue on the M size camera.

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2018, 12:46:03 PM »
The Sigma 16 f1.4 and 30 f1.4 for E-mount are sharp, fast and relatively affordable. 

There are many small Sony lens that are very good and small but expensive.



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Overall, I consider Canon EF-M superior to the entire universe of lenses for Sony E-mount. They are many, but only few are as good and/or as affordable as those compact EF-M lenses. Nothing in Sony E-mount land can touch Canon EF-M 22/2. - with or without Zeiss label on it. And this for only 150 Euro!

Canon EF-S and EF-M lineups are almost complete for any lens that can be made more compact than EF lenses thanks to smaller APS-C image circle + shorter FFD for EOS M. Only prime lens "missing" is a compact EF-M portrait tele, e.g. a EF-M 85/2.4 IS STM. :-)

Now, do I sound like a "Canapologist", or what?  ;D

PS: EOS 90D? Mainly for the remaining "n00bs" who still believe "only a DSLR takes good images". 7D series is a slightly different story. But Rebels and all xxDs ? Even Canon EOS M50 runs circles around them. Today. :-)
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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2018, 12:53:48 PM »
No one would disagree Canon's strategy to maximize its profit and pace its product innovation.  A good company  should have product designed ready to go to respond to competition when it is called for.  Based on the sarcasm on this forum, Canon should realize how upset its customer base is.


I'm quite happy with the 80D to be honest.. it's a really decent camera.

The 80D is actually an excellent all rounder, it really is.  The problem is the rest of the manufacturers are moving faster than Canon is willing to so the competition is just more excellent-er in what they are releasing. 

AND, this is the important bit, Canon has totally fallen down on APS-C or EF-M lenses.  I can buy the argument to using EF lenses on the APS-C DSLR's but not so much on mirrorless.  No one wants to use a FF lens + adapter on a little body and this is something Sony and Fuji have done much better than Canon.

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2018, 01:05:40 PM »
why would I buy a 16mm f/1.4 lens? If I were into Astro, I would definitely use a FF camera, not a crop sensor. Plus the lens is big and heavy by EF-M standards.

Sigma 30/1.4 - well, that looks ok size, weight and price-wise. Let's see how the rumored Canon EF-M 32/1.4 compares - if&when it really comes.

How many more decent, compact and affordable lenses for Sony E-mount? Amongst the hundreds out there? Any by Sony themselves or only third-party? :-)
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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2018, 01:09:45 PM »
We can all be pretty sure Canon will offer only a few incremental improvements or features making it somewhere between the A6300 and A6500 in performance.  Sony will release something that will be another powerhouse of a camera and offer everything they are capable of putting into a body. 

We can all be pretty sure Canon will sell more 90D bodies than Sony will sell of whatever 'powerhouse' camera they release.  But do enjoy that new Sony that I'm just sure you'll buy.

Why are you here, anyway?


Based on the sarcasm on this forum, Canon should realize how upset its customer base is.

This forum does not represent Canon's customer base, and except for a handful of disgruntled trolls who post here in between sojourns upstairs from the basement when their mom makes them do their chores, most people here are generally satisfied with Canon gear. 

Now, if you mean sarcasm directed against the forum trolls, yes there's plenty of that.
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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2018, 01:19:05 PM »
This forum does not represent Canon's customer base,

true. About 90% of all Canapologists worldwide are posting here. :-)

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Re: The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2018, 01:26:04 PM »
Sounds fantastic.  Since the 80D is my most used, and all-time favorite camera, my expectations are now high :D

I didn't think I would buy another APSC DSLR for a long time, because the 80D really checks all the boxes for me -- but I guess I'll stay tuned!


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« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2018, 01:26:04 PM »