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General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« on: June 24, 2018, 08:38:27 AM »
Hi all,

Looking for recommendations for a f/2.8 zoom for my 80D.  I currently have the 10-18 STM so I'm covered for wide angle stuff, and have the 18-135 STM for use in good light. Also have the 24/40/50 STM and 100/2 USM primes.  I have the 24 STM up for sale right now as I just don't tend to use it much.

So far I've been considering the Tamron 17-50 non-VC, the 17-55 IS USM, the Tamron 24-70 G2, or the 24-70L II.

Obviously the 24-70 options are significantly more expensive, but I don't tend to use 24mm or narrower all that often (hence selling the 24 STM) and I would definitely use the 50/55-70 range if it was there. The 'ready for full frame' aspect is a bonus too if/when I upgrade to FF a few years down the road.

I'm looking to get something with good IQ wide open - if I have enough light to be stopped down much I'm probably just using the 18-135.

I've searched and read reviews and there doesn't seem to be a real consensus... the 24-70 II would be the clear winner if it had IS I think but it's also by far the most expensive.

Anyone have experience with one or more of the options?

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General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« on: June 24, 2018, 08:38:27 AM »

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2018, 09:37:06 AM »
I had the EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS, and have the EF 24-70/2.8L II.  The 17-55/2.8 is a great general-purpose zoom for APS-C.  When I used crop DSLRs, I also had the 24-105/4L, but the 24-xx zooms don't give a wide angle on APS-C, which limited their utility for me (I had the EF-S 10-22, but swapping takes time and means losing f/2.8, which is very useful indoors, where a wider FoV is also useful).

I generally advise getting the lens you need today, not the one you might need at some undetermined future time and compromising in the meantime.  If you're sure you'll switch to FF in the very near future, a 24-70/2.8 makes more sense.

I have only briefly used the Tamron 24-70/2.8 G2.  The IQ is not quite up to the Canon 24-70 II, but with static subjects the image stabilization can more than make up the difference.  The vast majority of my 24-70/2.8 shooting falls in two buckets – family activities where kids are moving around, and travel/architecture where I'm using a tripod. Thus, I find little benefit in IS for that focal range.  The other thing to note about the Tamron is that zoom ring rotates backwards (from the perspective of a Canon user; it's the right direction for Nikon shooters).  It's something you might get used to, but if you switch lenses frequently you may find yourself missing shots after zooming the wrong way (as I still occasionally do with my Canon 70-300L, which has the focus and zoom ring positions opposite of my other L zooms).

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2018, 10:55:50 AM »
I second the 17-xx range for crop. Both Canon and Sigma make great options.
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2018, 01:00:11 PM »
How much do you want for the 24mm pancake?

The Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM is an extremely good lens. I owned one for years and it was great. After a few years it showed a little wear on the manual focus ring, but it was still in great shape otherwise.
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2018, 06:08:57 PM »
On an 80D I would hands down recommend the 17-55. It is high-performing even at 2.8. I personally do not like the 24-70 range on a crop-sensor camera - 24 not wide enough and 70 not long enough for true telephoto shots. On top of that you have no IS. However, I got by with the 24-105 on my 60D back when I had it...it was a great outdoor lens on that camera and I loved the reach.

I had the Tamron 17-50 (VC version) for a while before upgrading to the 17-55...the latter is definitely the superior lens, but it budget is an issue, the Tamron is decent enough for the money (if you get a "good copy" I suppose).
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2018, 07:58:42 PM »
I use a 15-85mm on my SL-2 most of the time, for low light, I did something different, a Sigma Art 18-35 f/1.8.
The zoom range is lacking, and 18mm is not as wide as I'd like, but for low light, there is nothing comparable in a zoom.

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2018, 10:13:17 PM »
I agree with the others recommending the 17-xx range for crop, and the 17-55/2.8 IS in particular. That said though, it comes down to what you want to use the lens for. For example, if you are particularly looking for a portrait lens, a 24-70 on a crop sensor covers a pretty good range.  Anyway, you've said you don't often shoot wider than 24 so a 24-70 might work for you. Personally though, I had a 24-70/2.8 on crop for ages before I got the 17-55 and in retrospect I wish I'd had the 17-55 all along.
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2018, 12:57:51 AM »
I generally advise getting the lens you need today, not the one you might need at some undetermined future time and compromising in the meantime.  If you're sure you'll switch to FF in the very near future, a 24-70/2.8 makes more sense.
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The EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS USM is a great general purpose lens for crop bodies and I highly recommend it.   I compare it more closely to the EF 24-105 f4L IS USM on a full frame body.  The effective focal range is similar (27-88mm) and the effective depth of field with this lens on the crop body is very close to that of the 24-105 f4 on a FF body.

IS is a key feature of this lens that I like over the non-IS 24-70 f2.8L.  On a crop body, IS lets me shoot candids at slower shutter speeds than I would shoot with the 24-70 -- as long as the subject is also slow moving.  This can help make up for the 2+ stop advantage that a FF body has over the crop body in high ISO noise.  Plus, I love the added creative options with hand-held controlled motion blur of very slow shutter speeds.

I switched to FF bodies a few years ago, but kept this lens and my 7D.  I now use this lens on the 7D for a tethered photo booth at events -- and for my daughter to use.  On occasions I may also use this lens on an SL2 as a "travel light" kit, but it does dwarf the SL2 a bit.

For FF, I've often been torn between the 24-70 f2.8L II and the 24-105 f4L IS.  The 24-70 is a great lens, it's sharp and focuses extremely quickly for sports.  But, I often want the 24-105 for it's IS.  The 24-105 is great for team photos in poorly lit gyms, available low-light portraits, and controlled motion blur photos.  Still, I'd prefer a single 24-70 f2.8L with IS.  This site has reported rumors of such a lens in development.  At this stage, it isn't something one can plan for.  But, if full frame is still a year or more away for you, then who knows.  A 24-70 f2.8 with IS might then be available.

I think the 17-55 f2.8 IS will help you get the most from your 80D.
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 03:38:34 PM »
Thanks all for the advice - sounds like the 17-55 is the best bet.  Any idea on a reasonable price to pay for a good used one? (I'm in Canada). They seem to sell on eBay anywhere between $300 and $600 CAD.  Or is it worth paying the premium (about double) for a new one?

LSXPhotog, I have the 24 STM listed on the local classifieds (Ottawa, Canada) for $175 CAD but I'm honestly not really sure what to expect for it.

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2018, 05:28:35 PM »
If you're considering new, consider Canon's refurbished store.  Canon is currently offering $80 off the lens new at $800 USD and $704 refurbished.  Refurbished items are often virtually new items that can't be sold as new.  They have been tested by Canon with any elements replaced as needed.  They actually undergo more testing than new items off the assembly line and they come with the full Canon one year warranty.   I have had very good luck with lenses and bodies refurbished by Canon and sold through Canon’s store.

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/ef-s-17-55-f-28-is-usm-refurbished

For used items, I would look at KEH.com, Adorama.com, and BHPhoto.com.  I’m personally leery of used lenses and bodies that haven’t been checked professionally.  Be sure to check the used policies on these sites so that you understand what they do to test and rate each item.  Also checkout their return policies.  Simply put, I’d prefer the backing of a reputable dealer when buying used gear.
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2018, 06:25:43 PM »
I used the EFS 17-55/2.8 from its launch until just a couple of years ago.  I got top dollar for it when I sold it.  This is a lens that's just fantastic, with shortcomings only in older AF and IS engines and more chromatic aberration than I care for. 

Great size, and everything else, too.  I wish Canon would refresh it, as I love my 80D, but that seems pretty unlikely.

The 24-70/2.8 and 4IS are both great lenses, as long as 24 on crop isn't too telephoto for you.  But, the 24-70/2.8 is also much more expensive than the EFS 17-55/2.8.

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2018, 07:26:30 PM »
The Canon 17-55mm is better, but the Sigma OS and VC versions can be found on CL etc for $200 - $250.  They're both very good value for the money and I'd highly recommend one of these over the various more expensive 24-70mm options.

Full frame lenses on APS-C bodies are heavier, more expensive, and not as sharp.   I replaced my Sigma 17-50mm OS  with a Tamron 24-70mm VC so I could also use it on a Canon 6d.  According to DXO Mark it should have been sharper, but the difference was small to none for $1k more.

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 07:32:22 PM »
add me to the chorus on the 17-55mm 2.8 IS on the 80D.. I've used it on my 40d, 7D and now 80D... for crop it's the workhorse lens.

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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2018, 07:32:22 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2018, 07:35:20 PM »
The Tammy 17-50 VC is no slouch either.
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2018, 10:55:57 PM »
My general purpose lens for crop is the Sigma 18-35mm f/1,8 as it covers the effective common focal length of ~28mm, ~35mm and 50mm.

Should you get a FF body, the crop lens can still be used for say 4K video where there is a crop....
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Re: General purpose f/2.8 zoom for 80D?
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