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skoobey

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #135 on: February 22, 2012, 06:32:10 PM »
HOW ABOUT A 4K VIDEO to justify the price, given how popular the 5dII was among filmmakers.

I think it's happening.  8)

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #135 on: February 22, 2012, 06:32:10 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #136 on: February 22, 2012, 06:32:25 PM »
I can't believe that the specs have finally been released and now everyone is complaining about the price. Well for me as a wedding photographer the specs seem perfect and as I make money from photography the price is irrelevant whatever it is. If you want this camera for a hobby or to have the latest tech but don't like the price it's tough. Canon don't make pro camera's as a favour. The price hasn't even been announced by Canon anyway. My advice is if you don't make a living from your camera buy a 5dmk2 and some glass instead the IQ will be about the same, but better AF and dual cards are essential for paid work regardless of the price.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #137 on: February 22, 2012, 06:35:45 PM »
i am a 100% studio photographer so i hoped for more MP because i don't care FPS and high ISO. For my agencies  i need 18MP but i like to crop sometimes and still have 18MP with only 22MP and this price range this is no replacement for me at all. And if CR is right i will change to Nikon.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #138 on: February 22, 2012, 06:39:16 PM »
Frame rates, noise, etc., are nice, but it's all worthless if over half your shots have missed focus.

The smartest thing Nikon did with the D800(E) was to use the D4's autofocus system, and I certainly hope that Canon follows suit by using the 1D X's autofocus system (not an impaired version of it) in the 5D2 replacement. If they do, I will be pre-ordering it the first second that it becomes available.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is what I have been thinking hundreds of times when 5D2 AF ruined my photos.

It is so annoying when you know that you have done everything right to get the perfect shot, but the camera AF failed you.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #139 on: February 22, 2012, 06:41:36 PM »
All the specs really look great, the only thing that I am a bit upset about is the price -  $3500 seems high for the body only. I was expecting it to be a 20% increase from $2400 for the 5D2 to $2899 (max $3000) for the 5D3.

Let's hope that it's not $3500 body only!

For the $3500 I sure hope we are safe to assume it will be the full on 1DX AF and not some simplified version or some crappy performing AF sensor and logic that happens to have 61pts but is no good compared to the 1DX AF sensor and logic.

For the $3500 I hope we are safe to assume it will be the 6.9fps and not the 6fps mentioned at Northlight and damn well better not be 5fps or less.

22MP, 6.9fps, full 1DX AF would be pretty cool. It lacks the reach and detail of the D800 but gripless 6.9fps would be nice and hopefully the 1DX AF is awesome.

It also sets up one heck of a 5D4 in 2015 (39MP, 6.9fps, top 1 series AF?).

If they crippled the 1DX more than a trace or just used some poor performing 61pt sensor then not so hot though for $3500 considering all that the D800 has. If it is only 4 or 5fps that would be really weak too, even 6fps flat might start seeming a bit weak all the D800 has for $3000 so hopefully it's the 6.9fps.
We're going to find out soon enough.

When the rumored price was $3k, I was skeptical of the 1Dx AF being in the camera, as I felt the price and feature set would not justify what was needed to run that.

Now....at $3500, all I can say is it better have the 1Dx AF and metering, along with some decent weather sealing and the same kind of optional modules as the 1Dx.  If it lacks some significant capabilities, it's going to be a dud.

That said, it's given me more justification to go 1Dx by the end of the year as my workhorse, sell my 5Dmk2 and grip, keep my 7D as my second DSLR body, and use the PhaseOne a lot more in studio.  With the 5Dmk2 used market firming up, I could get $1900 for the body, grip, and extra battery and use that to help offset the difference of the 1Dx.

Now....if Canon would just release an SDK for iOS so we can stop having to use a freaking PC in the mix when controlling via an iPad.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #140 on: February 22, 2012, 06:42:43 PM »
Frame rates, noise, etc., are nice, but it's all worthless if over half your shots have missed focus.

The smartest thing Nikon did with the D800(E) was to use the D4's autofocus system, and I certainly hope that Canon follows suit by using the 1D X's autofocus system (not an impaired version of it) in the 5D2 replacement. If they do, I will be pre-ordering it the first second that it becomes available.
I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is what I have been thinking hundreds of times when 5D2 AF ruined my photos.

It is so annoying when you know that you have done everything right to get the perfect shot, but the camera AF failed you.

Agree 100 times over and over again!!!

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2012, 06:44:58 PM »
I think Canon mostly deals with pros and agencies for feedback not consumers. Their pricing on this 5D MkIII and G1X reflect a bias towards professional photography. I have no problem with that, but at the consumer level, I do ask that they:

1) improve the APS-C sensors because they can't compete against 1.5x Sony sensors used by Nikon.
2) improve Live View focus time.
3) offer a better thought out consumer grade EF-S lens system including primes for crop bodies.
4) improve service for consumers - currently it is a sloppy experience at best.

Canon needs to do better to distinguish the market for EF and EF-S lenses and the same for EOS bodies.
Currently, they mix it all up without marketing the advantages of FF or crop properly. If I'm shopping for a Toyota, don't show me a Lexus. It makes the customer feel like they are getting an inferior product.

Another factor is the amount of information and innovation in digital cameras. Canon does not have the proper leadership to adjust to these changes. I won't blame people for focusing on the price because a $3500 5DMkIII means the 7D MkII and 70D will be higher also. The pro and consumer lines are the same brand.

I hope that the professional photographers that have access to Canon can explain this to them.


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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2012, 06:44:58 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2012, 06:50:33 PM »
$3500 would be ok if: 

. less rolling shuter
. Zero Moire (No pixel binning, but interpolation)
. Full HD HDMI out
. Best encoding with more mbps/s

milo

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2012, 06:55:13 PM »
This is not a bad camera, but it doesn't look like a 5D replacement.  This is more a Full Frame version of the 7D.

Unlike the 5D Mk II, which was a step up in every respect, this camera will appeal to only a subset of users.  I am sure that are users who welcome the new AF points and FPS, but for me it's pretty much worthless.  The only big improvement I needed from Canon in this area is with low-light AF.

I will take huge gains in image quality over megapixels, like the advantage that Foveon originally had.  But, the 1Dx sample photos really did not impress me overall, and I question whether IQ in the 5D Mk III will be the equivalent of a downsized D800 other than maybe at some ridiculously high ISO.  The next best thing to huge IQ improvement is more megapixels, especially in terms of cropping, and the D800 looks like a masterpiece of a camera from every angle.

The dual card slots is great, but the CF/SD approach seems a little half-assed. 

Canon will be in major trouble if they don't have a new FF DSLR coming out, perhaps at Photokina, as there is no way this camera can hold the fort for another 3 years.

Right now, the D800 is a game changer in the same way that the original 5D and 5D Mk II was.   The 5D Mk III may be a godsend for some people, and I am happy for them, but overall it is a lackluster introduction. 

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #144 on: February 22, 2012, 06:55:35 PM »
If those specs are correct I can easily see myself cancelling one of my 2 1DX orders.
Maybe both.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #145 on: February 22, 2012, 07:00:13 PM »
With that logic, I want a 10,000 sqft house, but i dont want to spend the millions it costs on it.  I dont want a preowned home....

If i can only afford a 3000sqft home then thats what I buy. Everyone wants more for nothing. This price is great considering the improvements. If you cant afford it, there are other cameras to buy.

I think in general people are willing to pay more for significant improvements.. but this represents a significant price increase for not much gain, then discontinuing of the old model.  This raises the threshold of getting a FF camera from Canon, which will also effect what the used market will look like since fewer people are going to drop the extra cash for a camera that seems overpriced compared to the value of its predecessor.

Granted, some people are really excited about the new AF and see that as worth it.. others.. not so much.  It kinda seems like the only significant improvement listed which means if AF is not on your list of needs, it isn't very much.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #146 on: February 22, 2012, 07:02:49 PM »
Change it to 1.6 crop, f/8 AF sensors, and everything else the same for $1,700 and I might be in.  For this, I'll keep my 5D (not II).

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2012, 07:04:11 PM »
Now....if Canon would just release an SDK for iOS so we can stop having to use a freaking PC in the mix when controlling via an iPad.

+1

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2012, 07:04:11 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #148 on: February 22, 2012, 07:05:21 PM »
With that logic, I want a 10,000 sqft house, but i dont want to spend the millions it costs on it.  I dont want a preowned home....

If i can only afford a 3000sqft home then thats what I buy. Everyone wants more for nothing. This price is great considering the improvements. If you cant afford it, there are other cameras to buy.

I think in general people are willing to pay more for significant improvements.. but this represents a significant price increase for not much gain, then discontinuing of the old model.  This raises the threshold of getting a FF camera from Canon, which will also effect what the used market will look like since fewer people are going to drop the extra cash for a camera that seems overpriced compared to the value of its predecessor.

Granted, some people are really excited about the new AF and see that as worth it.. others.. not so much.  It kinda seems like the only significant improvement listed which means if AF is not on your list of needs, it isn't very much.

just keep in mind -


Also note that the D800 was rumored at $3900, and is msrp offically at $3000.

$3500 rumor price could be anything real price...
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #149 on: February 22, 2012, 07:07:08 PM »
Change it to 1.6 crop, f/8 AF sensors, and everything else the same for $1,700 and I might be in.  For this, I'll keep my 5D (not II).

That sounds more like a 7DII than a 5dmkiii
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #149 on: February 22, 2012, 07:07:08 PM »