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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #225 on: February 22, 2012, 11:13:52 PM »
I am impressed with the specs as we know them

And while I view $3500 as a lot for a camera, considering I have no plans to upgrade for many months, I am fine with the price as it will likely be different (and quite probably lower) by the time I'm ready to pull the trigger.

Until then, I shall read up on the reviews from people who have handled the new 5D and go from there.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #225 on: February 22, 2012, 11:13:52 PM »

canartist

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #226 on: February 22, 2012, 11:14:19 PM »

That sounds more like a 7DII than a 5dmkiii

I thought they were discontinuing the 7D line since the 5Dmk3 has all of its best features and then some?

My guess is they have established a new price point for 5dmk3 to allow room for new 7DII

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #227 on: February 22, 2012, 11:18:13 PM »
And from the user's standpoint how can you not say the nikon style of giving the most they can for a price instead of giving the least they can get away with for a price is not better? LOL

I am totally with you. but if the market overlooks that fact and continue buying canon equipment, why would canon change its strategy?

One good example is how d7000 was improved closer to d300 and how 60d was crippled and brought closer to rebel.

And the 7D went crash boom bang?


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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #228 on: February 22, 2012, 11:25:26 PM »
if Canon announce: weather sealing, clean HDMI and user-selectable AA filter ;-)

watch this video from 06:10. You would know why you won't see clean HDMI

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #229 on: February 22, 2012, 11:26:43 PM »
It's all good.... my 7D is plenty enough for now and I must say 22mp can't be the real number given the D800 specs... Why would Canon develop a sensor of this size when the 18mp 1Dx sensor would suit just fine AND lower costs??? A 4mp difference is stupid, so I'm calling bull on these specs.

The sensor has to either be:

Crazy high mp equal or higher than the D800
1Sx sensor @ 18mp

I also think the next 7D will be a $1999 full frame while the 70D will take the current 7D's role in build quality, FPS, and king of the Canon crops... should this be true, than the next 7D must have the 1Dx sensor and the 5DIII will Me_Me_Me the D800 in terms of resolution and pixels

a 7D can not be a 7D and become a FF. It would have to be a whole new line! why dont people get this?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #230 on: February 22, 2012, 11:27:51 PM »
And from the user's standpoint how can you not say the nikon style of giving the most they can for a price instead of giving the least they can get away with for a price is not better? LOL

I am totally with you. but if the market overlooks that fact and continue buying canon equipment, why would canon change its strategy?

One good example is how d7000 was improved closer to d300 and how 60d was crippled and brought closer to rebel.

And the 7D went crash boom bang?

Why would it?

dealaddict

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #231 on: February 22, 2012, 11:37:05 PM »
Just to start off, I'm not a Nikon Fan Boy at all. I own a 5DC and 24-105 and 50 1.4 along with a speedlite.

BUT.... I don't see how these specs justify a 1000 dollar price increase from the 5DII to III....
The only significant upgrades are in the AF and the FPS. Technology should go down in price somewhat, not up.
Outside of video, it was widely considered that Nikon had the upper hand with the D700 vs the 5DII.
The AF on the 5DII was a joke(literally,) which makes me a little nervous about any 1st Gen Canon AF system.

One of the main reasons I chose Canon over Nikon was their more reasonable lens and body prices.
Now we have the 24-70 at 2300dollars compared to Nikons at 1850
and the 5DIII at 3500 compared to the D800 at 3000.
 
While Canon fans love Canon.... There is definitely no overall consensus that Canon is better than Nikon, in fact i'd say it's more the opposite.

I am really having a hard time seeing how the 5DIII should be priced 500 dollars more than the D800(which has a proven pro level AF system, more MP(which I actually don't want at all))

I wouldn't buy the D800 because I literally don't want 36MP at all... but the D700 is looking wayyyyy better to me than the 5DII.

I think Canon really screwed up on pricing, as I was totally prepared to see a 2800 opening price with a street price of 2500 dollars.

All I really wanted was a 5DII with a 7D AF system at around 2300 dollars.... which is something I thought very possible after 3+ years of being out...

Agree with you 100%.  Although I don't like 36Mps, I don't want to pay $500 extra to get less ... just doesn't feel right.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #231 on: February 22, 2012, 11:37:05 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #232 on: February 22, 2012, 11:45:32 PM »
So an extra $1500 for improved AF...wow

To paraphrase the MasterCard commercial: Extra card slot, $100.  Full-coverage viewfinder, $200.  Most of your images properly in focus, priceless.

Speaking for myself, I was willing to pay thousands extra for the 1D X to get top-notch AF.  If I only have to pay $1500, it's a bargain.

+1

People seem to have got themselves caught up comparing the street price of the 5DII to the Canon msrp again. The gap WONT be $1500 - the comparative street prive will be in the region of $500 very quickly - only the early buyers will get stung for $1500 which happened when the 5DII came out too.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #233 on: February 22, 2012, 11:47:18 PM »
I guess with a price like that, we are more likely to get a 5DX (or whatever it's called). This way, Canon could justify the big jump in price in the same manner of G1X & G12: it's a totally new camera and not one replacing the 5DII.

What comes next is anyone's guess. Would we get a 5DIII with high MP? Would Canon still produce the 5DII and sell it at sub-$2K? I guess this all depends on how well the new model is received and how many units it sells. It will also be interesting to see how the Nikon D800(E) performs in the market... and who knows what Sony might come up with?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #234 on: February 22, 2012, 11:55:11 PM »
Current UK price of the 5DII is in the region of 75% of mrsp - so 75% of $3500 is about $2700. So that is what we have to compare with - about $500 more than the 5DII

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #235 on: February 23, 2012, 12:33:34 AM »
I read a few pages but got tired of reading about pricing. . . . point taken on both sides.

I really do not see this price as being that much of a surprise. . . especially if the SAME AF that is on the 1Dx will be on the 5D mkIII . . AND with dedicated digic4! It will probably have 1 digic 5+ and not 2 . . . so far enough to understand the price increase over the 5DmkII. Also keep in mind that it will have new sensor technology over older 5D AND better video. For the rest of us, all this is a dream considering some of us (like me) were willing to dive off the deep end to get a 1Dx. . . . hell we can get 2 mkIII. . . . AND the price WILL drop, thanks to Nikonian competition, and simply regular market fluctuations and history, too.

Think about this also, that if you are a pro, and wanted to get 2 1Dx, you can now safely buy 1 1DX and 1 5DmkIII, and feel perfectly confident.

I am SOOOO happy Canon did not go up to 30MP+. . . THIS is perfect, and they may get the edge over Nikon in all the tests on ISO now AND AF.

I REALLY need a new system before end of April, so I hope I can get my hands on a 5DmkIII by then . . .

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #236 on: February 23, 2012, 12:36:26 AM »
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So, there's your first marketing gem. The D800 video is what?

has video too. uncompressed HDMI too. I hope the 5DIII has that as well as a headphone monitor both of which are glaring omissions on the 1DX. fps wise, unless canon can push 1080p60, it will be unlikely to have anything over the D800 then.

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Nikon's AF system is what? Assuming the f8 feature will be sorted, the Nikon's will be trailing Canon in AF for the first time in a fair while - and you won't need a battery grip to get the extra FPS.

doubtful. same AF as the 1DX = no f/8. I wouldn't say nikon trails at all. A10 points difference isn't going to matter. plus we know how capable the AF in the nikons is and has proven itself time to time. canon still needs to prove itself so how can you tell?. At best they will be equal if canon puts it out of park. The nikon also focus down to -2EV which is an improvement over their prior gen and will really help it in low light. So lets give canon credit, but let's not deceive ourselves. They are not really surpassing nikon in any meaningful way.

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How is Nikon's comparing to that? Oh it's not - it just bolts on the bottom and gives an extra few fps without and moulding for comfort? Damn, i thought you almost had me there!

I don't know if that's a killer feature the OP is talking about.  "The battery grip feels gripper" doesn't sound like a bullet point in marketing. But ok. I'll take your word for it. I've never held a D800 with a grip.

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22mp FF - yeah i know, that's a bitch isn't it? Not as good as 36mp, i'll give you that. But hang on - at what cost? Maybe Canon have a more rounded offer in the wing?

Sepeculation about tomorrow doesn't sell cameras today. Nikon will have something else, Sony will have something else, Canon will have something else. who cares if you're buying today?

Let me tell you the real differentiator for canon since all you said is well, trivial. High ISO will be better on the canon because of the low MP count and FPS will be better. However one has to wonder the wisdom of that because it looks the 5DIII competes better with the 1DX than the D800 which from the start decided not to be an action/sports body. Canon however can exploit that gap in nikon's lineup....assuming nikon doesn't fill it in with a full frame D400/D800s. THAT'S the "killer" feature for canon. In other words, nikon swapped places with canon in this segment. Canon now has the speed demon. Nikon has the studio/landscape body. Both should gain market although I think the fact canon isn't the only video capable body this time (remember D700 had no video at all) will certainly level the field.

thanks, my thoughts exactly.
although all those mentioned are definite improvements, they are not more than what the d800 offers.
also, I think canon sold the 5d2 to a much wider landscape of consumers than pros, a type of consumers that are affected by marketing bogus. if the new 5d3 does not have such marketing attraction, then it'll sell less. and not because it's a poor camera, but just because, like the d700, it's "just" a good camera.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #237 on: February 23, 2012, 12:38:01 AM »
If only I didnt mainly do studio work  I would pick up this camera ASAP for the things I dont make money doing (ie everything else). 

Instead I have try to be happy for others and keep praying that Canon will announce a full frame megamonster with so-so ISO and dumbed-down AF.


Bah.  Im sick of trying...

 

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #237 on: February 23, 2012, 12:38:01 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #238 on: February 23, 2012, 12:46:45 AM »
I think the price seems extremely high considering canon's main competitor, the Nikon d800, would have a $500 advantage, and knowing canon has always undercut Nikon on price also plays into my opinion.

The specs seem [cr3] but the price seems [cr2]

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #239 on: February 23, 2012, 12:50:49 AM »
I am SOOOO happy Canon did not go up to 30MP+. . . THIS is perfect, and they may get the edge over Nikon in all the tests on ISO now AND AF.

Nikon folks have also had to go on the defensive about actually using the D800. Apparently the technical manual warns against hand held photography as there's an increased risk of blurred images. I'm sure wedding photographers will love that. Or they'll be forced to shoot at ISO 6400 all the time so that they can shoot indoors at 1/320 in order to prevent the bride's dress becoming a blurry mess.

I think rather than announcing a kit lens with it they will have a kit tripod...

:D

just trying to lighten the mood guys ... be gentle
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #239 on: February 23, 2012, 12:50:49 AM »