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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #375 on: February 23, 2012, 02:55:35 PM »
It's funny that the Noink fanbois like bobn2 are now bleeting about moar megapickels are betterer, but when the D700 was released and Nikon was stuck at 12MP with 9 or 10 cameras it was all about "high ISO" and "per-pixel sharpness" and 100% crops from cams with different MPs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot they are now adopting the arguments used by the 5D2 camp against the D700 camp in 2008 ;D. I get a a laugh at these fanbois posting on the other side's forum hoping they could convert the "infidels" to their one true religion.  ::) (Exhibit A: sdyue vs. bobn2 on the DPR fanboi forum).

You seemed to have missed the minor point where those such as bob2n had never been going on about high ISO being better due to low MP and per-pixel sharpness....

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #375 on: February 23, 2012, 02:55:35 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #376 on: February 23, 2012, 02:57:43 PM »
I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet as I haven't read through all 25 pages on this post.  There is a Chinese web site/camera store that is claiming the "5DX" has these specs :

Body features: full frame digital SLR
Effective pixels: 45 million
Release date: February 2012
Mode of operation: manual operation
Imaging Processor: DIGIC 5 + DIGIC 4
Focus Points: 61 points

sourced from here :  http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdetail.zol.com.cn%2Fdigital_camera%2Findex312043.shtml

This looks like more of a $3500 camera then the original specs posted.


That '5DX' page also has a link to a '5D3' page with these specs:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/240/239857/param.shtml&usg=ALkJrhicf4v8DpD8Qph9OwwXjnk5xC31WA


That is the old fake rumor from over a year ago again.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #377 on: February 23, 2012, 03:06:57 PM »
UK folks - can you do me a favour and see if your supplier has had a chat with Canon yet? I've heard Canon's been speaking to folks in the run up to Focus about more information. Seems if you ask about a preorder list/any more info, they might have a bit more to say.
Just a feeling ;)
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #378 on: February 23, 2012, 03:47:35 PM »
Wow, lots of comments about the CF/SD cards.  Most of the 1D/1Ds bodies had this configuration (the earliest models only had a single CF).  The 1DX is actually the first Canon dSLR to have dual CF, but some folks expect the 5D3/X to have the same configuration, instead of the one passed down from the 1D/1Ds?   :o

I remember posts last year from 1D/1Ds shooters who were upset that they were going to lose the SD card slot with the 1DX!
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #379 on: February 23, 2012, 04:14:14 PM »
With 22MP its useless to me. I want the 45MP, 1FPS is fine.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #380 on: February 23, 2012, 04:22:06 PM »
With 22MP its useless to me. I want the 45MP, 1FPS is fine.
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The D800E is on order.

Well good luck and goodbye  ;D ;D ;D  Hear that guys?  he's leaving woo hoo!
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Ridiculous...
« Reply #381 on: February 23, 2012, 04:31:14 PM »
Why would Canon do this? Years of wait for 1 more MP and a 0.2" bigger screen and an AF system that should have come years ago...
The same disappointment I got with the iPhone 4s. Everybody has these gorgeous 4" smartphones and Apple choose to make us wait yet another year for something really good.
Who will pay $3500 for a small body when u can get a D800
For $2000?
I wouldn't. I'm waiting for my 1D IV replacement with a 1D X but this 5D is a joke.
How about a real studio camera? 36MP are great. Who cares about sensor pixel size or noise when u got 50% more data to play with... Bigger is better, more is more.
What about a Professional Canon 3D with a lot of MP and studio focusing system for $3000?
Canon loses this time. sorry
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Ridiculous...
« Reply #381 on: February 23, 2012, 04:31:14 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #382 on: February 23, 2012, 04:45:58 PM »
I'm so tired of hearing people flip flopping and getting up on their soap box and announcing "Canon loses" or "I'm going to Nikon". How does it REALLY matter?

Hell, the most moving and memorable images burned into the minds of most people on our planet, let's say "Top 100 photos of all time", are most likely ALL film. Taken decades (or longer) ago, on cameras that are laughable compared to ANYTHING we have now. In terms of features, abilities and technology, even usability and reliability. What does that say, truly, about GOOD photography that MATTERS?

Are you a photographer, or are you a tech head who actually doesn't REQUIRE any of this because it the D800, 1DX, D4, or digital Hassleblad won't make your images truly any better.

???



I for one, based on these rumored specs, are OK with the 5D Mark III. Assuming they're even real specs. I make a living off of photography, I do various types. Mostly portraits, some fashion and beauty, and documentary work (along with weddings in the summer months). I also print my work, large, for galleries and clients, on various mediums such as photo paper, canvas and fine art materials (even metal and wood once).

We don't know the DR, we don't know the ISO, and we don't a ton of other stuff, let alone the ACTUAL specs (again, this is a rumor, a CR3'd rumor, but still a rumor).

It's just so hilarious to sit here for days, have a coffee, read through some rumors, see what other photographers are saying about them... you get a few different types of people really. The most comical is the person, on any forum really, who types up a bunch of garbage about switching systems, or being so fed up with the changes, or lack of changes. OK, fine. How in the world is any other camera going to make your photos better? How is getting the 5D3, or NOT, going to make you a better photographer? The D800E, D800, 1Dx, D4? Answer: it won't help.

The reason why, on twitter and other bigger forums, you don't see the seasoned pros or working photographers complaining about much, is because they understand this simple notion. You get caught up in all the gear talk, and all the #s, and it truly, at the end of the day, doesn't mean much. The reason we get new cameras, and want to "upgrade" is because we can, and because sometimes it gives us new tools, and it's fun to have new things that we truly love, like cameras and lenses. But we never should lie to ourselves and say or believe that owning the 5D3, or a PhaseOne, or D4 is going to make us a better photographer.

No one is going to look back on their career, put up a gallery show and say "right here, this is when you can tell I got the 5D3, or switched to the D800, it shows in my work". Blah blah blah.


I don't even believe most of what I read when you have someone boasting about changing sides or "needing" something MORE, MORE MORE! Always MORE!

No one is ever truly happy, right? I say.... I can't wait for what Canon, Nikon or anyone else brings us. If we can properly use any of these tools, then let's go for it, but let's not pretend it means much more.

My 5D2 has been through hell, I bought it the month it was on the market. It's so banged up and wonderfully used. My back up is an old 40D, which I never use, and has had some problems before. I don't trust it. Getting a 5D3, or the 1Dx makes sense for me in a lot of ways, but I'm not going to pretend it is going to make me a better photographer, or make my work more accessible to clients or galleries.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #383 on: February 23, 2012, 04:48:58 PM »
ok ok ok already :)  Let's let good old boy canon release their product so a real conclusion can be drawn.  I know there is sovereignty of the consumer, but let's not become plutocratic.  Lets all just pretend that we're Lecia users and love the company no matter what happens or how infrequent the release is.  ;)

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #384 on: February 23, 2012, 04:53:48 PM »
ok ok ok already :)  Let's let good old boy canon release their product so a real conclusion can be drawn.  I know there is sovereignty of the consumer, but let's not become plutocratic.  Lets all just pretend that we're Lecia users and love the company no matter what happens or how infrequent the release is.  ;)

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #385 on: February 23, 2012, 04:56:29 PM »
I'm so tired of hearing people flip flopping and getting up on their soap box and announcing "Canon loses" or "I'm going to Nikon". How does it REALLY matter?

We are all, in a way, investors in Canon mostly through our lens and flash collections.

So yeah, there is a bit of passion in the purchase.

And maybe a bit of Ford vs Chevy in our blood.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #386 on: February 23, 2012, 04:59:32 PM »
Riiiiight. I agree with that, but I still don't see the connection between all that and being a better photographer? I have a long way to go, I need to learn a lot, and do a lot before I would ever dream of saying I'm a professional, I make my living (it ain't the BEST living either), but it's my passion. I don't think that we should lump the two camps together, investors because we own and put into it, and actual quality and craftsmanship of photography.

I'm very interested in any new gear, I want to see what the future holds. But all this puffy chested postured talk about the other side, switching or being angry about it all, seems so silly and childish.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #387 on: February 23, 2012, 05:16:42 PM »
Riiiiight. I agree with that, but I still don't see the connection between all that and being a better photographer?

Neither a Canon nor a Nikon is going to make you a better photographer.

We all reach limits.  And we dream of the next camera that will surpass those limits in the features we want/need.  When the next big thing doesnt meet those expectations, we get grumpy.

Oh and btw, generally I agree with your sentiment.


(edit, got rid of the unintended lecture)
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #388 on: February 23, 2012, 05:18:06 PM »
I'm so tired of hearing people flip flopping and getting up on their soap box and announcing "Canon loses" or "I'm going to Nikon". How does it REALLY matter?

Hell, the most moving and memorable images burned into the minds of most people on our planet, let's say "Top 100 photos of all time", are most likely ALL film. Taken decades (or longer) ago, on cameras that are laughable compared to ANYTHING we have now. In terms of features, abilities and technology, even usability and reliability. What does that say, truly, about GOOD photography that MATTERS?

Are you a photographer, or are you a tech head who actually doesn't REQUIRE any of this because it the D800, 1DX, D4, or digital Hassleblad won't make your images truly any better.

???



I for one, based on these rumored specs, are OK with the 5D Mark III. Assuming they're even real specs. I make a living off of photography, I do various types. Mostly portraits, some fashion and beauty, and documentary work (along with weddings in the summer months). I also print my work, large, for galleries and clients, on various mediums such as photo paper, canvas and fine art materials (even metal and wood once).

We don't know the DR, we don't know the ISO, and we don't a ton of other stuff, let alone the ACTUAL specs (again, this is a rumor, a CR3'd rumor, but still a rumor).

It's just so hilarious to sit here for days, have a coffee, read through some rumors, see what other photographers are saying about them... you get a few different types of people really. The most comical is the person, on any forum really, who types up a bunch of garbage about switching systems, or being so fed up with the changes, or lack of changes. OK, fine. How in the world is any other camera going to make your photos better? How is getting the 5D3, or NOT, going to make you a better photographer? The D800E, D800, 1Dx, D4? Answer: it won't help.

The reason why, on twitter and other bigger forums, you don't see the seasoned pros or working photographers complaining about much, is because they understand this simple notion. You get caught up in all the gear talk, and all the #s, and it truly, at the end of the day, doesn't mean much. The reason we get new cameras, and want to "upgrade" is because we can, and because sometimes it gives us new tools, and it's fun to have new things that we truly love, like cameras and lenses. But we never should lie to ourselves and say or believe that owning the 5D3, or a PhaseOne, or D4 is going to make us a better photographer.

No one is going to look back on their career, put up a gallery show and say "right here, this is when you can tell I got the 5D3, or switched to the D800, it shows in my work". Blah blah blah.


I don't even believe most of what I read when you have someone boasting about changing sides or "needing" something MORE, MORE MORE! Always MORE!

No one is ever truly happy, right? I say.... I can't wait for what Canon, Nikon or anyone else brings us. If we can properly use any of these tools, then let's go for it, but let's not pretend it means much more.

My 5D2 has been through hell, I bought it the month it was on the market. It's so banged up and wonderfully used. My back up is an old 40D, which I never use, and has had some problems before. I don't trust it. Getting a 5D3, or the 1Dx makes sense for me in a lot of ways, but I'm not going to pretend it is going to make me a better photographer, or make my work more accessible to clients or galleries.


Beautifully said.   Some really great pictures can be taken with a box camera - remember those?
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #389 on: February 23, 2012, 05:21:28 PM »
Canadian Canon Vendors had a meeting today (Feb 23).  The new 5D will be available in stores at the end of March 2012  in Canada at $3,800 with a lense (do not know which one).

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
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