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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #585 on: February 26, 2012, 12:36:44 PM »
March 2nd? Lock it in - no more changes PLEAAAASSEE!!  I can't take the suspense!!!

Party time on Friday 2nd!!!

Wouldn't this be the first time they have ever had a major announcement on a Friday? Usually they want to announce earlier in the week to get all the traffic of people web surfing during work  ;D and a weekend announcement is sort of like they are hiding the new release in shame?

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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #585 on: February 26, 2012, 12:36:44 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #586 on: February 26, 2012, 12:38:22 PM »

There's also invitations to a Canon event in Singapore on 2nd March. Sounds like a global announcement on the same day.

Where is the invite to that announcement in Singapore on the 2nd?

A few of us in Singapore got the event invite from Canon directly.

The email mentioned:

Speed. Quality.
How do these matter to you in the world of imaging?

Answer: They don't, which is why you just showed up to an IXUS event!  ;D

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #587 on: February 26, 2012, 12:38:37 PM »
If you are happy with the 7D then that is good  8) 8) 8)

I will stick to my series 1  8) 8) 8)

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the AF locks on SOOO much faster.
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Irrelevant if the 7D is as fast as you need it to be

When I argued from this point for the 5D2 there was a flurry of activity from the 7D fans who criticised the AF on the 5D2 labelling it disatrous - and I got 30 smites in response.

For BIF/sports etc the AF needs to lock as quick as possible - even my old 1Ds3 out performs the 7D from this point of view. I had 2 7Ds which I used alongside the 1D4 and I wouldn't go back to the simplified AF system on the 7D.

I am hoping that the next 5D has a better AF than the 7D and hopefully as good or better than the 1Ds3. With the series 1 style AF cross-type focusing on all 39 AF points works with the 17-40 and 24-105 which is excellent news considering he popularity of those lens. For studio work the 7D style spot AF might be useful if it could be selected seperately from a normal AF point without changing a Custom function

Other things I would like from the series 1:

- Spot metering linked to the AF points. With 39 AF points it is easier to compose with the AF point where you need it - and get the metering correct at that point

- multispot metering - means tricky objects such as a wedding dress can be exposed correctly

- up to 7 shot bracketing for those difficult light shots/hdr  with +-3 stop with variable AEB amount. Sequence to be done through holding down the shutter whilst in continuous drive mode

Can't agree with you regarding 7D focusing and speed. I shoot sports and any combination of zones and AI focus along with the FPS of the 7D make it excellent for sports and BIF.  I'm not discounting the 1D family, just that the 7D has been stellar for me.

There's some discussion about the 5D iii being a blend of the 7D and 5Dii.  That may be fine if you can only have one body, but it is going to take more than just "better" focusing on the 5Diii to make me not consider picking up a 5Dii at discounted prices to complement my 7D, after which I'll sell off a 20D and convert a 40D to IR.  Batteries on 5Dii and 7D are the same, one would be my "outdoor, sports" camera (and part time portrait, landscape, etc.) and the 5Dii would slide very nicely into more traditional portrait and landscape...

For me, the 5Diii would have to being a lot more of the technology innovation to image quality, not so much about speed.  The big hitters for me are much better dynamic range for a single shot (less HDR need), an order of magnitude better noise handling at higher ISO, although again, in portrait work, how often are you shooting in very high ISOs?

We just don't know enough about the innards right now, but from some of the specs on the front page, the major points are not pointing to IQ..  Just have to see if Canon DID have some new sensor technology in the works to somewhat match Nikon's latest offering, but I'm afraid we may still be one generation away from that and that the 5Diii will be a nice upgrade to the 5Dii, but not a wholesale technology swap.

Jay S.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #588 on: February 26, 2012, 01:02:01 PM »


For BIF/sports etc the AF needs to lock as quick as possible - even my old 1Ds3 out performs the 7D from this point of view. I had 2 7Ds which I used alongside the 1D4 and I wouldn't go back to the simplified AF system on the 7D.

I am hoping that the next 5D has a better AF than the 7D and hopefully as good or better than the 1Ds3. With the series 1 style AF cross-type focusing on all 39 AF points works with the 17-40 and 24-105 which is excellent news considering he popularity of those lens. For studio work the 7D style spot AF might be useful if it could be selected seperately from a normal AF point without changing a Custom fu

Can't agree with you regarding 7D focusing and speed. I shoot sports and any combination of zones and AI focus along with the FPS of the 7D make it excellent for sports and BIF.  I'm not discounting the 1D family, just that the 7D has been stellar for me.


I dont understand what you dont agree with? I didn't say anything against the 7D speed and focussing :o :o :o

Perhaps you need a dayout with a series 1 so that you understand the extra capability of the series 1. I have converted 3 7D shooters so far by lending them my 1D4 - I came from the 7D so I am aware of how good the 7D was in comparison to the the 50D (in my case). The move to the series 1 was a whole new experience  on all levels

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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #589 on: February 26, 2012, 01:12:12 PM »
I've mentioned before a contact I have here. Usually I see him at the local taproom. He has a contact in Tibet; they communicate using the Internet.

Last night, over a couple of boilermakers, he told me Tibet can't commit to a date or camera name, but he is certain they will be releasing this new blockbuster camera in an array of "brilliant international colors." Quite a departure for the high end camera market.

Some of the new colors he mentioned:

Pacific Pearl

Sierra Silverlode

Riviera Razzle Dazzle

Mt. Fuji Fuchsia

Jersey Tomato

Sapporo Saphire

Mumbai Mango

Barcelona Blonde

Helsinki Heliotrope

Toronto Topaz

Vancouver Vermilion


I think this is big news -- and Tibet rarely gets it wrong!

Looks like a colorful year for Canon.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #590 on: February 26, 2012, 01:15:51 PM »


For BIF/sports etc the AF needs to lock as quick as possible - even my old 1Ds3 out performs the 7D from this point of view. I had 2 7Ds which I used alongside the 1D4 and I wouldn't go back to the simplified AF system on the 7D.

I am hoping that the next 5D has a better AF than the 7D and hopefully as good or better than the 1Ds3. With the series 1 style AF cross-type focusing on all 39 AF points works with the 17-40 and 24-105 which is excellent news considering he popularity of those lens. For studio work the 7D style spot AF might be useful if it could be selected seperately from a normal AF point without changing a Custom fu

Can't agree with you regarding 7D focusing and speed. I shoot sports and any combination of zones and AI focus along with the FPS of the 7D make it excellent for sports and BIF.  I'm not discounting the 1D family, just that the 7D has been stellar for me.


I dont understand what you dont agree with? I didn't say anything against the 7D speed and focussing :o :o :o

Perhaps you need a dayout with a series 1 so that you understand the extra capability of the series 1. I have converted 3 7D shooters so far by lending them my 1D4 - I came from the 7D so I am aware of how good the 7D was in comparison to the the 50D (in my case). The move to the series 1 was a whole new experience  on all levels

Brian..  I took if from the one line in the post:

"I had 2 7Ds which I used alongside the 1D4 and I wouldn't go back to the simplified AF system on the 7D."

The 7D focusing is not simplified, in fact was the first Canon offering to add that much significant function at the price point it is.  I said there I had nothing against the 1Dx, but there is a large difference in price between the two bodies.  Maybe just semantics.

Jay S.

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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #591 on: February 26, 2012, 01:17:09 PM »
at distant.star: will there be a Siam Sunset...LOL
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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #591 on: February 26, 2012, 01:17:09 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #592 on: February 26, 2012, 01:20:28 PM »
I'm so tired of hearing people flip flopping and getting up on their soap box and announcing "Canon loses" or "I'm going to Nikon". How does it REALLY matter?

Hell, the most moving and memorable images burned into the minds of most people on our planet, let's say "Top 100 photos of all time", are most likely ALL film. Taken decades (or longer) ago, on cameras that are laughable compared to ANYTHING we have now. In terms of features, abilities and technology, even usability and reliability. What does that say, truly, about GOOD photography that MATTERS?

Are you a photographer, or are you a tech head who actually doesn't REQUIRE any of this because it the D800, 1DX, D4, or digital Hassleblad won't make your images truly any better.

???



I for one, based on these rumored specs, are OK with the 5D Mark III. Assuming they're even real specs. I make a living off of photography, I do various types. Mostly portraits, some fashion and beauty, and documentary work (along with weddings in the summer months). I also print my work, large, for galleries and clients, on various mediums such as photo paper, canvas and fine art materials (even metal and wood once).

We don't know the DR, we don't know the ISO, and we don't a ton of other stuff, let alone the ACTUAL specs (again, this is a rumor, a CR3'd rumor, but still a rumor).

It's just so hilarious to sit here for days, have a coffee, read through some rumors, see what other photographers are saying about them... you get a few different types of people really. The most comical is the person, on any forum really, who types up a bunch of garbage about switching systems, or being so fed up with the changes, or lack of changes. OK, fine. How in the world is any other camera going to make your photos better? How is getting the 5D3, or NOT, going to make you a better photographer? The D800E, D800, 1Dx, D4? Answer: it won't help.

The reason why, on twitter and other bigger forums, you don't see the seasoned pros or working photographers complaining about much, is because they understand this simple notion. You get caught up in all the gear talk, and all the #s, and it truly, at the end of the day, doesn't mean much. The reason we get new cameras, and want to "upgrade" is because we can, and because sometimes it gives us new tools, and it's fun to have new things that we truly love, like cameras and lenses. But we never should lie to ourselves and say or believe that owning the 5D3, or a PhaseOne, or D4 is going to make us a better photographer.

No one is going to look back on their career, put up a gallery show and say "right here, this is when you can tell I got the 5D3, or switched to the D800, it shows in my work". Blah blah blah.


I don't even believe most of what I read when you have someone boasting about changing sides or "needing" something MORE, MORE MORE! Always MORE!

No one is ever truly happy, right? I say.... I can't wait for what Canon, Nikon or anyone else brings us. If we can properly use any of these tools, then let's go for it, but let's not pretend it means much more.

My 5D2 has been through hell, I bought it the month it was on the market. It's so banged up and wonderfully used. My back up is an old 40D, which I never use, and has had some problems before. I don't trust it. Getting a 5D3, or the 1Dx makes sense for me in a lot of ways, but I'm not going to pretend it is going to make me a better photographer, or make my work more accessible to clients or galleries.

You are entitled to your opinion but I strongly disagree with it and your ranting about people "boasting about changing sides", and "...needing something MORE MORE MORE...".
I am one of those people who are disappointed with the approach Canon took with the 5D3  (assuming the rumors are true) and I consider the Nikon D800 a significant improvement for the wildlife photography that I do. A full frame sensor with a higher pixel density would give me the flexibility to take wider shots than I can get with my 7D and 500mm lens in some cases and still crop to bring up a long shot in others. So yes, even though my first SLR was an F-1 and I've got a lot of money sunk into Canon lenses, I might consider a jump to Nikon if the rumors turn out to be true. Its got nothing to do with "making me a better photographer" - it's just about getting with a company that's taking the technology in the direction I want to go. As was mentioned in CR some time ago, Canon COULD make a high megapixel FF but they HAVE NOT. Maybe they will someday, but then again, maybe they won't.
My point in posting was to (hopefully) let Canon (assuming that anyone at Canon reads CR) know how I (and I suspect others) feel.

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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #593 on: February 26, 2012, 01:21:10 PM »
Last night, over a couple of boilermakers, he told me Tibet can't commit to a date or camera name, but he is certain they will be releasing this new blockbuster camera in an array of "brilliant international colors." Quite a departure for the high end camera market.

Some of the new colors he mentioned:

Pacific Pearl

Sierra Silverlode

Riviera Razzle Dazzle

Mt. Fuji Fuchsia

Jersey Tomato

Sapporo Saphire

Mumbai Mango

Barcelona Blonde

Helsinki Heliotrope

Toronto Topaz

Vancouver Vermilion


I think this is big news -- and Tibet rarely gets it wrong!

Looks like a colorful year for Canon.
A scene from the film "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" springs to... mind. In that scene, the girl with the brightly coloured hair is discussing the names of hair dye colours with a man (played by Jim Carrey). She insists that someone must have the job of coming up with crazy names for them, such as "Blue Ruin", "Red Menace" or "Green Fever". And she says that she wants that job.

The colours you mention here sound similarly ridiculous... "Barcelona Blonde", "Vancouver Vermillion"? ...Wow.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #594 on: February 26, 2012, 01:31:48 PM »
Brian..  I took if from the one line in the post:

"I had 2 7Ds which I used alongside the 1D4 and I wouldn't go back to the simplified AF system on the 7D."

The 7D focusing is not simplified, in fact was the first Canon offering to add that much significant function at the price point it is.  I said there I had nothing against the 1Dx, but there is a large difference in price between the two bodies.  Maybe just semantics.

Jay S.

With all respects Jay I think you have understood me. I was comparing the 7D AF with the 1D4 AF and in comparison the 7D is a much simplified system (it did come after the series 1 AF)

The 7D is an excellent camera at its price point - probably the best bang for your buck across the whole range and I have no issues with it. However I have moved on to series 1 and it is a whole different world - and I wont be going back

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #595 on: February 26, 2012, 01:32:27 PM »
You are entitled to your opinion but I strongly disagree with it and your ranting about people "boasting about changing sides", and "...needing something MORE MORE MORE...".
I am one of those people who are disappointed with the approach Canon took with the 5D3  (assuming the rumors are true) and I consider the Nikon D800 a significant improvement for the wildlife photography that I do. A full frame sensor with a higher pixel density would give me the flexibility to take wider shots than I can get with my 7D and 500mm lens in some cases and still crop to bring up a long shot in others. So yes, even though my first SLR was an F-1 and I've got a lot of money sunk into Canon lenses, I might consider a jump to Nikon if the rumors turn out to be true. Its got nothing to do with "making me a better photographer" - it's just about getting with a company that's taking the technology in the direction I want to go. As was mentioned in CR some time ago, Canon COULD make a high megapixel FF but they HAVE NOT. Maybe they will someday, but then again, maybe they won't.
My point in posting was to (hopefully) let Canon (assuming that anyone at Canon reads CR) know how I (and I suspect others) feel.

So you are not happy with your 7D?
Bad image quality ?
It is not because Rocco Siffredi has a bigger than yours, he will make love better ...

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #596 on: February 26, 2012, 01:36:48 PM »
You are entitled to your opinion but I strongly disagree with it and your ranting about people "boasting about changing sides", and "...needing something MORE MORE MORE...".
I am one of those people who are disappointed with the approach Canon took with the 5D3  (assuming the rumors are true) and I consider the Nikon D800 a significant improvement for the wildlife photography that I do. A full frame sensor with a higher pixel density would give me the flexibility to take wider shots than I can get with my 7D and 500mm lens in some cases and still crop to bring up a long shot in others. So yes, even though my first SLR was an F-1 and I've got a lot of money sunk into Canon lenses, I might consider a jump to Nikon if the rumors turn out to be true. Its got nothing to do with "making me a better photographer" - it's just about getting with a company that's taking the technology in the direction I want to go. As was mentioned in CR some time ago, Canon COULD make a high megapixel FF but they HAVE NOT. Maybe they will someday, but then again, maybe they won't.
My point in posting was to (hopefully) let Canon (assuming that anyone at Canon reads CR) know how I (and I suspect others) feel.

So you are not happy with your 7D?
Bad image quality ?
It is not because Rocco Siffredi has a bigger than yours, he will make love better ...

I always thought wildlife shooters liked to shoot faster :o :o :o


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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #597 on: February 26, 2012, 01:51:07 PM »
I've mentioned before a contact I have here.... he is certain they will be releasing this new blockbuster camera in an array of "brilliant international colors."
I think this is big news -- and Tibet rarely gets it wrong!

Looks like a colorful year for Canon.

IXUS perhaps? :)

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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #597 on: February 26, 2012, 01:51:07 PM »

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Re: *UPDATE* The Next 5D on March 2, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #598 on: February 26, 2012, 02:28:00 PM »
Yeah, the invites I've seen online for the March 2nd event make it look like an IXUS only deal. Does CR guy (or anyone else) know fo' sho' that the 5D X is making an appearance?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #599 on: February 26, 2012, 02:33:11 PM »
... SNIP ...
A full frame sensor with a higher pixel density would give me the flexibility to take wider shots than I can get with my 7D and 500mm lens in some cases and still crop to bring up a long shot in others.
...SNIP ...

So you are not happy with your 7D?
Bad image quality ?
It is not because Rocco Siffredi has a bigger than yours, he will make love better ...

I always thought wildlife shooters liked to shoot faster :o :o :o

SebSic - I didn't say I was unhappy with my 7D - I just wish Canon had gone the way of the D800, for the reasons I noted.

briansquibb - LOL.

Seriously, though, as we all know there are trade-offs to be considered. The bigger pixels with higher DR  and ISO vs. more of them so you can crop a long shot and still get a reasonable sized print. I can understand why Canon went the way they did (again assuming the rumors are true) but I'd rate things differently, based on my experience.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #599 on: February 26, 2012, 02:33:11 PM »