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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2012, 04:28:34 PM »
We have yet to get confirmation on ISO and FPS, but I wonder what this will do to used 1d mk IV sales. People trying to get rid of their 1D IV's for the 1DX may take a bit of a hit with this new 5D coming out. It's sounding like this may be an all around better option at a cheaper price than a used 1D IV.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #90 on: February 22, 2012, 04:28:34 PM »

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« Reply #91 on: February 22, 2012, 04:32:31 PM »
From the start, I must say that some heavy assumptions are being made in this analysis, and I do understand these shortcoming of my analysis, this must state that this is for speculation and fun ONLY.

Taking the price of the historical "big brother" of the 5D line, the 1Ds (due to FF) and determining the price index between them over three generations of cameras, one can estimate an index based price of the 5D. Due to the fact that  the 1DX has an MSRP of $6800, and staying true to its historical index, the next gen 5D would be priced at $2714. This is assuming that no other factors are involved in pricing (features, tech, inflation, exchange rate, etc.).

If we strictly take into consideration the current price of the YEN vs. USD over time (as some on this forum are prognosticating), we can expect the price of the 5D3 to properly reflect the historical prices of the 5D (with respect to the 1Ds prices) at $4064 adjusting for ERs. This would be the MSRP IF Canon wanted to continue the exact margins/index as the last generation of 5D/1Ds.

HOWEVER, I repeatedly hear justifications for price increases of the 5DmkIII base on solely exchange rates. I believe that this is a misnomer and not the driving MSRP factor for canon due to the fact that the MSRP of the 1DX was set at $6800! The price of that camera went DOWN compared to its last generation even with a YEN increasing in value by 50%. I do understand that the 1DX is not a true offspring of the 1DsmkIII, but with the combination of the two lines and addition of new features to boot, I believe my point to still be valid.

Discuss...
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #92 on: February 22, 2012, 04:36:03 PM »
Very nice features. I will be strongly tempted. I have a 5DmkII which I suspect feels lonely...  ;D However, I could get the TS-E 17mm L and EF8-15mm L instead with almost the same amount of money and be  done with the wide end ... almost ::)

But then, I do not shoot action, I prefer landscapes...

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #93 on: February 22, 2012, 04:39:19 PM »
Not to fuel the fire, but there has been reports recently that the 5D2 having prices increases over the last few days....  perhaps if this camera gets announced/released at $3500, any takers the retail 5d2 price jumps back up to the original $2699 it debuted at?

It's just market dynamics. 5D2 hit lowest price point in december, when they needed to clear inventories and granted rebates to sellers. Now Canon will progressively start to phase the camera out of the distribution channels. Since demand is and will be there for a while the prices will increase accordingly. So the idea that soon we will be able to get d2 at discounted price is basically wrong.

Regading the used 5D2 market there is, already since a while, a line of buyers waiting for prices to come down as well. These buyers will be joined soon by those who haven't found a new 5D2 at the price they wanted. Like what happened with 5D classic price will not deacrease substantially in the short period.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #94 on: February 22, 2012, 04:43:30 PM »
It's just market dynamics. 5D2 hit lowest price point in december, when they needed to clear inventories and granted rebates to sellers. Now Canon will progressively start to phase the camera out of the distribution channels. Since demand is and will be there for a while the prices will increase accordingly. So the idea that soon we will be able to get d2 at discounted price is basically wrong.
And there are MANY people having this idea. I feel sorry for them.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2012, 04:50:23 PM »
Sorry folks, but $3500 only makes sense with a kit lens.  The D800 is coming in at $3000 with significantly higher megapixels and marketed as a pro camera vs. a prosumer.  Obviously there are no details, but it's hard to imagine the 5D Mark III having features that outgun the D800 to the tune of $500.  I'd imagine Canon is rethinking their price point on the 5D Mark III as we debate.  I would expect it come in at $3200 upon release.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2012, 04:52:36 PM »
I find myself really wishing I had had the cash reserves to pull the trigger on a mk ii over the holiday season, I mean crap, $2000 on an mkii, and now the new price is back up around $2500, and the used market seems to have dried up.  If i had pulled the trigger then, I might have made money on resale of it!  (or at least been able to resell it for little to no loss!

I am wondering though, if i were to pull the trigger on an mkii, what would the used market look like come this fall when the mkiii is actually avaialble? 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2012, 04:52:36 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2012, 04:57:52 PM »
All the specs really look great, the only thing that I am a bit upset about is the price -  $3500 seems high for the body only. I was expecting it to be a 20% increase from $2400 for the 5D2 to $2899 (max $3000) for the 5D3.

Let's hope that it's not $3500 body only!

For the $3500 I sure hope we are safe to assume it will be the full on 1DX AF and not some simplified version or some crappy performing AF sensor and logic that happens to have 61pts but is no good compared to the 1DX AF sensor and logic.

For the $3500 I hope we are safe to assume it will be the 6.9fps and not the 6fps mentioned at Northlight and damn well better not be 5fps or less.

22MP, 6.9fps, full 1DX AF would be pretty cool. It lacks the reach and detail of the D800 but gripless 6.9fps would be nice and hopefully the 1DX AF is awesome.

It also sets up one heck of a 5D4 in 2015 (39MP, 6.9fps, top 1 series AF?).

If they crippled the 1DX more than a trace or just used some poor performing 61pt sensor then not so hot though for $3500 considering all that the D800 has. If it is only 4 or 5fps that would be really weak too, even 6fps flat might start seeming a bit weak all the D800 has for $3000 so hopefully it's the 6.9fps.
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« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2012, 04:58:48 PM »
I'm going to make a couple of predictions that will probably shock you. 1) 5D3 will be available day one with no pre-order.   2) 5D2 used market will not pick up.

$3500 is a lot of coin for us poor Americans to cough up on a camera that, really, in essence, adds a few more autofocus sensors, and sort-of doubles the shooting speed. Therefore, I don't think we will see the droves lining up for what amounts to nothing more than incremental improvements. And this after a 3.5 LONG YEARS wait.

I honestly don't understand the complaints about the 5D2 autofocus - is there not continuous manual focus on nearly every lens sold by Canon to augment the AF when it isn't spot-on? I also shoot a lot of medium format, where autofocus pretty much doesn't exist, so this whole idea that AF is the most important feature in a camera is a little foreign to me.

The 5D2 was an absolute revolution in its day, kicking RED and Nikon square in the face with 1080P video at insane bitrates (40Mb+). Then, Canon came out with the firmware update that vastly improved the video shooting aspects of the camera. For no charge!!  THAT is commitment to your customer base.

Now we have, in essence, the same camera, with a couple little "perks" added, and a nice hefty $1500 price increase. And, to go along with it, a moderately improved all-around lens that costs twice what its predecessor cost.

If you ask me, you could get a REALLY nice medium format kit (film of course) for what it will cost to "upgrade" to a 5D3 + 24-70L II. Personally, this is the end of the "upgrade" road for me, as I am more than happy with my 5D2, 24-70L (plus other lenses). Good luck finding those used 5D2s out there!

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2012, 05:04:19 PM »
6fps - not bothered one way or another - never really use the 3.5fps on the 5D2 so, no benefit.

Are we sure it is 6.0fps and not the 6.9fps of many rumors or even the 7.5fps of Aquatech or the 6.3fps of the 40D/50D?

(5D2 is 3.9fps)

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2012, 05:07:45 PM »
I'm going to make a couple of predictions that will probably shock you. 1) 5D3 will be available day one with no pre-order.   2) 5D2 used market will not pick up.
Why do you think the 5D2 will be avalible that fast?.. Just look at the 1D X. Announced in october 2011, still not avalible anywhere. It doesn't even have a release date...

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2012, 05:09:05 PM »
Good to hear, not surprised about the $3500, just look at the increase in the 24-70 II. 

Granted, I'm weighing buying this against the 1D X, so 50% off still looks good to me if the specs, release date, and the RAW images at high ISOs all work for me.

I can't wait to hear about the 61 pt AF and if it actually is the 1D X AF system, also curious about the ISO range.

Lastly, with a 22MP sensor, will this camera have a better DR than the 1D X?

The dual CF/SD card slot is stupid, pick one or the other Canon, oh well, that wouldn't stop  me from buying it but still who in their design department thinks of these things.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2012, 05:12:22 PM »
Well what I hope happens with these canon price increases is the Australian price gets regulared correctly against the US price becasue at the moment the premium we pay for gear is silly. So if the camera comes in a $3500 aussie too then thats good.

I'm hoping build quality is closer to 1D but as for the rest of those specs
all I can say is
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
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« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2012, 05:14:44 PM »

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Well $3500 seems on the high side of estimates and seeing as the D700 was always more expensive I would have hoped the price would have stayed lower.  The D800 is being sold for £2600 (Nikon roadshow) I would have expected the UK price to be closer to £2400.
Time will tell

Current exchange rate for British Pound to USD is $1.567.  As a result, $3500 USD is less than £2400 (USD equiv = $3700).  I'm not at all surprised at this price.

But then you have to add in the whopping VAT (sales tax) at 20% and it becomes nearly £2900 not far from the price of a 1D MkIV.  Seeing as the 5D MkII has been for sale at £1459 the launch price would be double what the previous model has been selling for, I think there would be a few raised eyebrows if it's accurate.  The D800 is £2600, was the previous model on sale at £1763 nowhere near a doubling and notably more than the 5D MkII. 

With the 24 - 105mm IS L lens the 5D MkII sells for £2258 so a launch price of a kit at £2900 would be much more palatable.  In terms of exchange rates, both Nikon & Canon have increased their prices (and how) so any references to that is a red herring.

Interestingly, from a political point of view there is no mention of an XQD card slot, which the Nikon D4 has but the D800 doesn't.  Sony & Nikon have colaborated on this, the CF format is 18 years old, and it seems odd that there is only one camera able to take the card.  Is this going to be a dead duck?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2012, 05:15:29 PM »
stop complaining about the price... for god sake.
if you don´t have the money buy a rebel.

the camera will have a lot more improvements then what is listed here.
and im sure it´s worth the money.
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« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2012, 05:15:29 PM »