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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2012, 08:13:37 PM »
D800 would make it look silly, especially costing $500 less, if they gave it a crippled 1DX AF and low fps.

But how many would switch camps for $500? 

Traditionally nikon offered maximum features within the given price point, whereas canon offered features to stay competitive within the price point. They even to went to the level of bringing down 60d to allow room for premium on 7d. Nothing wrong with that. It is just marketing and both companies have different ways to differentiate product lines.

I don't see that as being the case, with the 5D mk2 vs the D700 Canon offered superior resolution and video while Nikon offered superior AF, build and FPS. If this camera and the D800 end up as long term competitors in the same fashion Nikon are now offering superior resolution while Canon offer superior ISO and FPS.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2012, 08:13:37 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #181 on: February 22, 2012, 08:14:04 PM »
I'm still hung up on the CF/SD card slots...I hate using SD. I've had a few of them go bad on me and that's enough to scare me away from them. I guess if it could save jpegs to SD and RAW to CF that wouldn't be a bad way to have a backup / quick reference card. I'd prefer dual CF slots.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #182 on: February 22, 2012, 08:18:32 PM »
I'm still hung up on the CF/SD card slots...I hate using SD. I've had a few of them go bad on me and that's enough to scare me away from them. I guess if it could save jpegs to SD and RAW to CF that wouldn't be a bad way to have a backup / quick reference card. I'd prefer dual CF slots.

Got to add - yeah, I am also in the dual CF card crowd.

Having done computer projects with large numbers of SD cards, I have absolutely no trust for them.  And I have no need to have preview or family jpegs.  Wasted feature.

But we will wait to see the specs.   Not a deal killer, just an annoyance.

You know what would be better would be a changeable card drive. 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #183 on: February 22, 2012, 08:18:40 PM »
Everyone needs to understand the difference between LIST and STREET prices. The Canon 5D Mark II when released listed for US$2799, however (rebates/sales excluded) usually streets for about US$2499 (body only). Average price range for the 5D II can be anywhere from $2000 to as high as $4000 with an extended kit, factoring in rebates and sales.

Adjusting the original 2008 list price of $2799 for inflation through now in 2012, the list price would land squarely at $3000 adjusted. So the difference is not really $1500 for better AF and an extra megapixel (and probably a vastly improved sensor like the 1D X's)...the difference when you adjust for inflation is about $500...which is FAR, FAR more reasonable if you ask me, and certainly easier to swallow than a $6800 price tag for the 1D X.


I'm really quite bummed about the CF/SD bit...I'd much prefer two CF slots, or perhaps a CF slot and an XQD or something capable of SDXC speeds.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #184 on: February 22, 2012, 08:20:04 PM »

"Oh I hate that crap. I really wanted 2 x CF. I just don't see the point of using 2 formats. I can understand it for peeps upgrading from a cam who have already SD's. Guess I'm turning back to the 1D X...
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+1 What are they thinking? Two different types of media? Madness! 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #185 on: February 22, 2012, 08:20:12 PM »
It's all good.... my 7D is plenty enough for now and I must say 22mp can't be the real number given the D800 specs... Why would Canon develop a sensor of this size when the 18mp 1Dx sensor would suit just fine AND lower costs??? A 4mp difference is stupid, so I'm calling bull on these specs.

The sensor has to either be:

Crazy high mp equal or higher than the D800
1Sx sensor @ 18mp

I also think the next 7D will be a $1999 full frame while the 70D will take the current 7D's role in build quality, FPS, and king of the Canon crops... should this be true, than the next 7D must have the 1Dx sensor and the 5DIII will trump the D800 in terms of resolution and pixels

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2012, 08:23:02 PM »
It's interesting to me that most things that are technical in nature like computers, monitors, etc... tend to get better every year and the price drops every year for the same features. I don't really understand why cameras don't fall in that realm, it's a shame isn't it?

+1 Top of the line computers have sold for similar price for some time - with added features and performance.  Why not cameras too?
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #186 on: February 22, 2012, 08:23:02 PM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #187 on: February 22, 2012, 08:25:17 PM »
It's all good.... my 7D is plenty enough for now and I must say 22mp can't be the real number given the D800 specs... Why would Canon develop a sensor of this size when the 18mp 1Dx sensor would suit just fine AND lower costs??? A 4mp difference is stupid, so I'm calling bull on these specs.

Remember, this was rated CR3, which are effectively facts. CR1/2 can usually be speculated about, but I would be extremely surprised if the actual released product is something other than 22mp. Its been mentioned that 22mp is beneficial for video pulldown and encoding, and if the 5D III is expected to excel at video, its not surprising a megapixel count beneficial to video was chosen.

I personally am going to bide my time and wait for other Canon announcements this year. My 7D will hold me tidy for quite some time. This is just another camera release, but certainly not the last of the year...perhaps something that caters more to those who need higher resolution will be released by end of year.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #188 on: February 22, 2012, 08:29:19 PM »
In addition to hopefully full 1DX what if it has:

vastly better video with no moire/aliasing/full RGB per pixel/much better SNR

7fps vs 4fps (although if you don;t care about the better AF you prob don't care about this either, granted)

those aren't minor things by any means

and we could hope it also has:
2.5 stops better usable DR at ISO100 (although I have doubts, but to match Nikon it would basically need this)
2/3 stop better SNR

I admit, more DR at low ISO is nice, though most of the time if I want that I just use AEB+HDR.

I think as some one else commented, it looks like this version would be intended for a similar audience as the 1Dx.. sports, journalism, and videoographers.

For studio, landscape, and other 'long setup' type photography these new bodies feel like Canon is moving away from those markets.  Which is why personally I am hopeful they are going to split the 5D line or introduce a new body that addresses the needs of those markets,.. otherwise there might be a shift away from Canon.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #189 on: February 22, 2012, 08:33:50 PM »
I really hope they bump AEB up to 7  with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #190 on: February 22, 2012, 08:34:47 PM »
The two different types of media never really made sense to me when they were doing it on the pro bodies.  At least with the 1D X they've done it right (finally!). 

As for the pricing.  I agree that Canon is out of their minds.  Over the long term they have to compete with Nikon which includes pricing on similar cameras.  I'm currently using both a 1DM4 and a 5D2 and would consider upgrading to the 1D X but I've just about decided not to.  The D4 was announced at $5999 and is very similar and obviously aimed at the same group of photographers.  So the 1DX has 2MP more and 2FPS higher; to me that's not a big deal.  The D4 focuses down to f8, has and HDR function (which may or may not be useful), and for those who care about video it also has RAW HDMI output for external recording.  The interesting thing is that all of those items are also included in the newly announced D800/E including the upgraded color metering.  The last time I checked with the retailer I purchase the high dollar items through, Canon still hadn't finalized the price of the 1DX with them so maybe they are re-thinking the pricing...

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #191 on: February 22, 2012, 08:37:32 PM »
D800 would make it look silly, especially costing $500 less, if they gave it a crippled 1DX AF and low fps.

But how many would switch camps for $500? 

Traditionally nikon offered maximum features within the given price point, whereas canon offered features to stay competitive within the price point. They even to went to the level of bringing down 60d to allow room for premium on 7d. Nothing wrong with that. It is just marketing and both companies have different ways to differentiate product lines.

Yeah but it is not just $500 then if the AF is super crippled 1DX and the fps are low then it's also worse specs along with $500 more.

If it is 4fps again and 22MP again there may be some 5D2 users who stay put rather than put up $1500 for somewhat improved AF.

If it is 7fps and 1DX AF then it's a different story.

And from the user's standpoint how can you not say the nikon style of giving the most they can for a price instead of giving the least they can get away with for a price is not better? LOL
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #192 on: February 22, 2012, 08:38:01 PM »
I really hope they bump AEB up to 7  with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #193 on: February 22, 2012, 08:40:06 PM »

"Oh I hate that crap. I really wanted 2 x CF. I just don't see the point of using 2 formats. I can understand it for peeps upgrading from a cam who have already SD's. Guess I'm turning back to the 1D X...
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+1 What are they thinking? Two different types of media? Madness! 
I'm still going to get one ::)

for those who don't backup on the spot, it lets you use your current CF cards while buying SD for your new cards and being able to use both

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2012, 08:43:28 PM »
I really hope they bump AEB up to 7  with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though


I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

while I have massive amounts of respect for trey, i am well over the photomatix cookie cutter HDR
I discovered this guy a while ago who has a novel take on it, his stuff has a really well crafted more natural look to it http://goodlight.us/
he even sells his photoshop actions for $20 but he gives all the info to make them yourself for free
its a very interesting read if you are into HDR
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2012, 08:43:28 PM »