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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #210 on: February 22, 2012, 10:14:48 PM »
I don't agree that it would eat out of the C300 market. The people buying them are out of completely different ponds. The C300 well makes up for it's price in it's features and functionality alone. Even if they were both 4K I'm sure they wouldn't be the same quality. Professional shoots demand convenience in order to save time and shooting with a DSLR certainly isn't convenient.

Hollywood is using footage from 5DMIIs all the time! They are essentially disposable cameras. The problem is that they aren't 4K. Theaters project a 4K image and if they provided that Hollywood would be all over it. Action films would eat them for breakfast.
Most theaters do NOT project in 4k. They're still mostly 2k. The reason why there is some demand for a 4k camera (besides the "mine is bigger!" crowd) is for post production and processing flexibility, although it actually complicates the post production workflow and adds expense. One of the reasons why the C300 is not a 4k camera is for workflow. It's intended to give a really good image right out of the camera so you don't have to grade or color correct every single frame that you shot. Shoot it, load it in, edit, output...fast and still looks good. Ever see the RED 4k footage straight out of the camera? Not so good. It holds up amazingly well in grading, but by the time you're even ready to edit the footage the C300's footage will already be airing on TV. Not a big deal for a feature movie, but a real big deal for fast turn around TV work.
4k is nice at this point for future proofing, but most people won't have anywhere to show 4k footage for years.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #211 on: February 22, 2012, 10:27:21 PM »

Canon needs to do better to distinguish the market for EF and EF-S lenses and the same for EOS bodies.
Currently, they mix it all up without marketing the advantages of FF or crop properly. If I'm shopping for a Toyota, don't show me a Lexus. It makes the customer feel like they are getting an inferior product.



Very good point.  If the aps-c is here to stay the current ef-s line up needs a little work.  No fast primes (no primes except the 60, but that does not count). Canon does very little to market the crop vs ff.  I know the vast majority of rebel buyers don't care about it , but I think they might be missing some potential sales overall.    I have a 50d and I've been waiting for the new 5d for a long time. 

Where did CR get this spec list?  It's not official so it still can change —it's not from Canon.

Let's make it official and give me my f#*%#ng 5d3!

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #212 on: February 22, 2012, 10:34:08 PM »
It's interesting to me that most things that are technical in nature like computers, monitors, etc... tend to get better every year and the price drops every year for the same features. I don't really understand why cameras don't fall in that realm, it's a shame isn't it?

+1 Top of the line computers have sold for similar price for some time - with added features and performance.  Why not cameras too?

If the 5d was released in 1999, what would have been its cost then verses today?
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #213 on: February 22, 2012, 10:36:11 PM »
I really hope they bump AEB up to 7  with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

Buy 1 series body. Lol, it is not me. That is how it works in canon world.
As the frenchman in monthy python and the holy grail said " I've Already got one"
Just would like my 5D to be able to do it, I prefer the non gripped form factor over the 1 series bulk
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #214 on: February 22, 2012, 10:37:30 PM »
woah... impressive... very impressive

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #215 on: February 22, 2012, 10:46:29 PM »
I really hope they bump AEB up to 7  with +/-3
5 as an absolute minimum though

I second that, HDR is a thing for me now... I think Trey is right that HDR is the way forward, done right that is and not looking like a surreal mess

Buy 1 series body. Lol, it is not me. That is how it works in canon world.

There is always Magic Lantern. It's easier to use then you think. I put it on my 50D just because I wanted to try out the video on it for the heck of it, and was quite impressed with all the other features.

Sure, but that is a third party solution. Is there a hardware limitation stopping them offering AEB upto 7 ?
Their marketing decided that you have to cough up for 1 series body for that feature.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #216 on: February 22, 2012, 10:47:13 PM »
It's interesting to me that most things that are technical in nature like computers, monitors, etc... tend to get better every year and the price drops every year for the same features. I don't really understand why cameras don't fall in that realm, it's a shame isn't it?

+1 Top of the line computers have sold for similar price for some time - with added features and performance.  Why not cameras too?

If the 5d was released in 1999 what would have been its cost then verses today?

Orders of magnitude more.

But for some perspective....  The 5D was released October 2005 for $3299USD.  Adjusted for inflation that's $3828.82 today ( http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp ) .

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #217 on: February 22, 2012, 10:50:37 PM »
if Canon announce: weather sealing, clean HDMI and user-selectable AA filter ;-)

Lol, i guess you gotta mix up of brands..!!

When HDMI is crippled in 1Dx, their flagship, why would they implement it in 5D ?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #218 on: February 22, 2012, 10:51:15 PM »
Just to start off, I'm not a Nikon Fan Boy at all. I own a 5DC and 24-105 and 50 1.4 along with a speedlite.

BUT.... I don't see how these specs justify a 1000 dollar price increase from the 5DII to III....
The only significant upgrades are in the AF and the FPS. Technology should go down in price somewhat, not up.
Outside of video, it was widely considered that Nikon had the upper hand with the D700 vs the 5DII.
The AF on the 5DII was a joke(literally,) which makes me a little nervous about any 1st Gen Canon AF system.

One of the main reasons I chose Canon over Nikon was their more reasonable lens and body prices.
Now we have the 24-70 at 2300dollars compared to Nikons at 1850
and the 5DIII at 3500 compared to the D800 at 3000.
 
While Canon fans love Canon.... There is definitely no overall consensus that Canon is better than Nikon, in fact i'd say it's more the opposite.

I am really having a hard time seeing how the 5DIII should be priced 500 dollars more than the D800(which has a proven pro level AF system, more MP(which I actually don't want at all))

I wouldn't buy the D800 because I literally don't want 36MP at all... but the D700 is looking wayyyyy better to me than the 5DII.

I think Canon really screwed up on pricing, as I was totally prepared to see a 2800 opening price with a street price of 2500 dollars.

All I really wanted was a 5DII with a 7D AF system at around 2300 dollars.... which is something I thought very possible after 3+ years of being out...
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #219 on: February 22, 2012, 10:52:53 PM »
I don't agree that it would eat out of the C300 market. The people buying them are out of completely different ponds. The C300 well makes up for it's price in it's features and functionality alone. Even if they were both 4K I'm sure they wouldn't be the same quality. Professional shoots demand convenience in order to save time and shooting with a DSLR certainly isn't convenient.

Hollywood is using footage from 5DMIIs all the time! They are essentially disposable cameras. The problem is that they aren't 4K. Theaters project a 4K image and if they provided that Hollywood would be all over it. Action films would eat them for breakfast.
Most theaters do NOT project in 4k. They're still mostly 2k. The reason why there is some demand for a 4k camera (besides the "mine is bigger!" crowd) is for post production and processing flexibility, although it actually complicates the post production workflow and adds expense. One of the reasons why the C300 is not a 4k camera is for workflow. It's intended to give a really good image right out of the camera so you don't have to grade or color correct every single frame that you shot. Shoot it, load it in, edit, output...fast and still looks good. Ever see the RED 4k footage straight out of the camera? Not so good. It holds up amazingly well in grading, but by the time you're even ready to edit the footage the C300's footage will already be airing on TV. Not a big deal for a feature movie, but a real big deal for fast turn around TV work.
4k is nice at this point for future proofing, but most people won't have anywhere to show 4k footage for years.

You're right. I didn't look into how many theaters actually implement 4K projectors. I just knew that theaters can project a 4K image. Most of which are large chain theaters. However, I believe that large productions that have the budgets to use DSLRs as disposable could use the 4K because those are the films that are outputting for 4K.

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/mkt-digitalcinema/resource.latest.bbsccms-assets-mkt-digicinema-latest-4kmoviereleaseslisting.shtml#2011
http://sony.links.channelintelligence.com/oemsites/6553221/4K/sony4k.html?pg=2

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #220 on: February 22, 2012, 10:53:08 PM »
The 5D was released October 2005 for $3299USD.  Adjusted for inflation that's $3828.82 today ( http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp ) .

Kool, I remember seeing the pioneer plasma for $10k years ago. I guess we should adjust it for inflation as well.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #221 on: February 22, 2012, 11:07:12 PM »
"CR3" status? If so, I might be putting in an order for the 5D3/X. Is there only going to be the one model now? No split (2 ver)?? And there's no mention yet of the native ISO range. That's all I still need to know. Will it be the same as the 1D-X (e.g. 100-51,200...max 204,800)? Or 100-12,800 like the D3s/D4 (Nikon)?

Going to be a great year for photogs. Lots of sought after models. Canon 1D-X, 5D3/X, 7D2...Nikon D800/D4.

Actually, a great year for tech in general. Apple's iPhone 5 on the way (end of year). Apple's iPad 3. More 4G LTE smartphones...etc.

The only thing I'm not crazy about is the $1000 CAD price hike. What gives? Though, if we get the CR3 specs + 100-51,200 native ISO, I'll still end up paying.

As for the cost of Canon lenses vs. Nikon...Canon glass is more expensive in Toronto. Difference is Canon has the better selection.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #222 on: February 22, 2012, 11:07:59 PM »
And from the user's standpoint how can you not say the nikon style of giving the most they can for a price instead of giving the least they can get away with for a price is not better? LOL

I am totally with you. but if the market overlooks that fact and continue buying canon equipment, why would canon change its strategy?

One good example is how d7000 was improved closer to d300 and how 60d was crippled and brought closer to rebel.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #223 on: February 22, 2012, 11:08:36 PM »

That sounds more like a 7DII than a 5dmkiii

I thought they were discontinuing the 7D line since the 5Dmk3 has all of its best features and then some?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #224 on: February 22, 2012, 11:12:28 PM »

One of the main reasons I chose Canon over Nikon was their more reasonable lens and body prices.
Now we have the 24-70 at 2300dollars compared to Nikons at 1850
and the 5DIII at 3500 compared to the D800 at 3000.

canadian prices are still better. Lowest price is $1647 for nikon 24-70mm
http://www.photoprice.ca/product/00814/Nikon-AF-S-Zoom-Nikkor-24-70mm-f2.8-G-IF-ED-price.html