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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #300 on: February 23, 2012, 09:16:41 AM »
One other thing that has been bugging me, all those out there talking about the d800 and the high MP problems, all that can be addressed by simply shooting in RAW-M ( 5,520 x 3,680 = 20.3 MP) that would basically give you a close match to the current 5dII. I think the d800 is intriguing bc you CAN shoot up to 36 mp if you need too, but for most walk around shooting you will be able to shoot at RAW-M 20.3 mp or even RAW-S at 9 MP and get great results with the enhanced metering features and af.
The downsized raw modes aren't making full use of the sensor, however we are all assuming that the megapickle monster will have inferior IQ. From what I've seen, the IQ and high ISO of the D800 is nothing short of staggering. NR has a comparison of high ISO between the D700 and D800.

The 5D3 has some very strong competition.

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #300 on: February 23, 2012, 09:16:41 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #301 on: February 23, 2012, 09:21:48 AM »
The 5D was released October 2005 for $3299USD.  Adjusted for inflation that's $3828.82 today ( http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Calculators/Inflation_Rate_Calculator.asp ) .


Kool, I remember seeing the pioneer plasma for $10k years ago. I guess we should adjust it for inflation as well.


If you could be a couple of notches less abrasive, It would be great, as it is, it is hard to fault you on some of your assertions. In light of free speech and diversification of thought on this forum, I feel you add value and balance here. Canon needs to hear both camp, the fans and the realists... to attain a balanced perspective.

+1 on the argument above, I too feel the R&D costs have been sunk already, technology costs are going down every year (not every 3.5 years  ;) ); They should be able to offe rthe 5d3 at $USD 2.2-2.4k. In fact if I were them, I'd offer it at $1900, and make money from all the EF lenses I'd be selling....
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« Reply #302 on: February 23, 2012, 09:26:05 AM »
Bummer, if I didn't have so much invested in Canon lenses I'd be buying a Nikon D800 now.

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« Reply #303 on: February 23, 2012, 09:31:48 AM »
Can't believe everyone is getting so upset over a rumoured price. This is pretty much the exact spec I would like for a camera (shooting mostly weddings but also a bit of sports, live music, landscapes, etc etc). Not sure I'll be able to justify it for a little while yet.

Hope the high ISO is spectacular though - I often find myself shooting at high ISOs or pushing RAW files quite a way.

I really wonder how many people going on about the 36MP on a D800 would ever really make much use of it. Shot any ads to go on the side of buildings lately? Yes I know it helps with cropping and then making big prints, but I've made a beautiful looking 30"x20" print off a cropped shot on my 12MP Panasonic G1.

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« Reply #304 on: February 23, 2012, 09:52:32 AM »
Everyone needs to understand the difference between LIST and STREET prices. The Canon 5D Mark II when released listed for US$2799, however (rebates/sales excluded) usually streets for about US$2499 (body only). Average price range for the 5D II can be anywhere from $2000 to as high as $4000 with an extended kit, factoring in rebates and sales.

Adjusting the original 2008 list price of $2799 for inflation through now in 2012, the list price would land squarely at $3000 adjusted. So the difference is not really $1500 for better AF and an extra megapixel (and probably a vastly improved sensor like the 1D X's)...the difference when you adjust for inflation is about $500...which is FAR, FAR more reasonable if you ask me, and certainly easier to swallow than a $6800 price tag for the 1D X.
Nice....but.....

That logic does not hold for the 1Dx pricing when you analyze the 1D4 and 1DsIII that it supposedly replaced.  Recalling, the 1D4 was $5000 list and the 1Ds3 was $9000 (or possibly higher), the average between the two is $7000+.  Given your cost of inflation, the price should be even higher than the $7k average here.

It's not....it's $6800, despite a couple of years after the 1D4 and several years after the 1Ds3.

Also, the difference between list price and street price for the 5D2 was not there until 6-12 months after it was first available. If it was, it's not significantly. If the new 5D is released at $3500, I bet you would have to wait at least 6-12 months before you can grab one for under $3000.

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« Reply #305 on: February 23, 2012, 09:53:21 AM »
Am I the only one who reads the CR Guys rumour as *around* $3500? This could mean it may be released at less or in fact more.

So even though it's a CR3 rumour it's still not on 100% with the price. So for all you people who are dreading the
price, whining and crying at least understand that it still isn't confirmed yet.

Good catch... and if everyone is happy on CR with that price, it might go even higher  ;)
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #306 on: February 23, 2012, 09:54:41 AM »
Am I the only one who reads the CR Guys rumour as *around* $3500? This could mean it may be released at less or in fact more.

So even though it's a CR3 rumour it's still not on 100% with the price. So for all you people who are dreading the
price, whining and crying at least understand that it still isn't confirmed yet.

Good catch... and if everyone is happy on CR with that price, it might go even higher  ;)

Yep. And if it's MORE then that's absurd to leave the sub $3k FF market and it probably means a lower end FF coming out . . .
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« Reply #307 on: February 23, 2012, 09:55:09 AM »
It is looking like there is little reason to purchase the 1Dx over this camera, unless you are really rolling in it.  Of course, this will finally depend on build quality, DR and ISO performance but, it's not looking good for the 1Dx, IMO.


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« Reply #308 on: February 23, 2012, 09:55:48 AM »
If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Heh, I always find stuff like this ironic since the thing that keeps making me pondering jumping to Nikon is the lens availability rather then the bodies.  Because Nikon's mount is more industry standard, a lot of exotic lenses are built for that mount that Canon does not see as important to their rather narrow market.

For example, there is not a single UV lens available for EF.  Nor are there any sub f1.0 lenses.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #309 on: February 23, 2012, 10:08:10 AM »
I'm Kinda happy about the Dual SD/CF slots (A little).  I would like to have 2 CF slots, but they don't make eye-fi CF cards, and just maybe, I will be able to get the 5D to work with an I pad 3 instantly ;-) when it comes out.
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« Reply #310 on: February 23, 2012, 10:09:12 AM »
For those of you who complain about dual CF/SD slots, would it be better for you if Canon just releases the body with only one CF slot? For me, I'm fine with it. The SD slot will be my backup slot that allows me to have some buffer time to switch CF cards.

I have long waited for this new 5D, however, I'm in the <$3000 camp. For $3500, I think I can find a decent used 5D2 for under $1700. The difference will be $1800 since the new 5D won't be available for under the released price when it first comes out. So, I can get a decent used L glass for $1800, which could be 70-200/2.8L II, 85L II, 14L II or even 24L TS-E. So, I'll stick with 5D2.

Anyway, I kinda agree that the new 5D2 won't be more than $3000, especially when D800 is $3000. Canon is always less expensive than Nikon, which is one of the reason why I switched from Nikon about 10 years ago.

Maybe, for $3500, it's the new 5D with a lens kit like 28-135 or 24-105L. Imagine how many it will sell!!! 8)

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« Reply #311 on: February 23, 2012, 10:18:07 AM »
While many of us rarely shoot above 1600 ISO I think it's good to have the ability to shoot in very low light situations. Where having the ability to get clean images at ISO 6400 or 12,800 would be useful. I usually stay at very low ISO (when possible) as that is where you usually get the best IQ. So, if Canon is not going to put out 2 versions of the 5D and put out a "5D3" (which I want) I hope they will also include the 1D-X's 100-51,200 native ISO spec. If they do...I'm ordering later this year. If not...bulky (w/ portrait grip) cameras here I come (D3s or D4 or 1D-X...in that order).

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« Reply #312 on: February 23, 2012, 10:35:00 AM »
22 pages in under 24 hours... well done guys. 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #313 on: February 23, 2012, 10:37:12 AM »
In regards to the 5D3 price, I just wanted to remind everyone how in November Canon initially set the C300's price at $20,000 but prior to launch they reduced the MSRP to $16,000 based on competitive pressure (RED) and public outcry. 

I remember the D800 was originally rumored at $3900.  Perhaps Canon's $3500 tag was to compete with Nikon's rumored price?

$3500 certainly isn't set in stone.  There's room to move.
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #314 on: February 23, 2012, 10:38:07 AM »
Damned if you do (high MP), damned if you don't (low MP).  :-X

I look fondly back on those days when the DPB was in the spotlight.  8)

Maybe Canon would decide the number of MP by the number of pages CR generates in the first 24 hours :P

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« Reply #314 on: February 23, 2012, 10:38:07 AM »