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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #315 on: February 23, 2012, 10:40:47 AM »
In regards to the 5D3 price, I just wanted to remind everyone how in November Canon initially set the C300's price at $20,000 but prior to launch they reduced the MSRP to $16,000 based on competitive pressure (RED) and public outcry. 

I remember the D800 was originally rumored at $3900.  Perhaps Canon's $3500 tag was to compete with Nikon's rumored price?

$3500 certainly isn't set in stone.  There's room to move.

Good point and I hope you are right. 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #315 on: February 23, 2012, 10:40:47 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #316 on: February 23, 2012, 10:44:09 AM »
but they don't make eye-fi CF cards

But there are a few SD->CF adapters that work with Canon CF-card bodies.  I use one for eye-fi on a 7D.

And given that a compatible adapter is easy to find, I think that argues again for CF x 2 or CF + XQD.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #317 on: February 23, 2012, 10:46:37 AM »
While many of us rarely shoot above 1600 ISO I think it's good to have the ability to shoot in very low light situations. Where having the ability to get clean images at ISO 6400 or 12,800 would be useful. I usually stay at very low ISO (when possible) as that is where you usually get the best IQ. So, if Canon is not going to put out 2 versions of the 5D and put out a "5D3" (which I want) I hope they will also include the 1D-X's 100-51,200 native ISO spec. If they do...I'm ordering later this year. If not...bulky (w/ portrait grip) cameras here I come (D3s or D4 or 1D-X...in that order).

Eh, I think a good deal of us do shoot above ISO1600.  I do a lot of shooting indoors, in peoples houses, public buildings and gyms.  It's hard to keep things below ISO1600.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #318 on: February 23, 2012, 10:50:14 AM »
I am surprised everyone is so focused on the high price increase.  Has anyone been paying attention to food and commodity prices for the past 3+ years when the Mark 2 first hit the market?  You really shouldn't be surprised.  Inflation is rising rapidly.  Our US dollars are becoming useless.

Instead of complaining with your voice, use the most powerful tool you have and don't buy it if you feel it is too high.  If consumers stop placing so much demand on the markets, the markets have to eventually come down to what is feasible to the consumer.  Too many bitch and moan, yet go out and buy the product as though their business cannot still thrive without the latest and greatest gear. 

How did all of the great masters of photography thrive before all of these "great" gadgets and doohickeys?  They adapted to their abilities and mastered them.  How many of you even still use a lightmeter?

Spend your dollars wisely and you won't need to NEED any upgrade everytime a new "latest and greatest" model or piece comes out.  Shoot, I still use PS3, LR2 and shoot with the original 5D.  The only reason i ever upgrade is if something breaks or there is something that is more efficient and can make me more $$.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #319 on: February 23, 2012, 10:50:29 AM »
The downsized raw modes aren't making full use of the sensor, however we are all assuming that the megapickle monster will have inferior IQ. From what I've seen, the IQ and high ISO of the D800 is nothing short of staggering. NR has a comparison of high ISO between the D700 and D800.

The 5D3 has some very strong competition.

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Yeah, that is my impression too of the D800.  Early impressions are that this will be an amazing camera.  We won't know for certain for a few months, though.

On another note, whenever I come onto technical forums, I get the impression that people are looking for perfect photos right out of the camera.  No crop, no editing.  If that is how you shoot, then more power to you, but I crop the majority of my photos, sometimes severely, and have spent 10 hours+ editing a single photo.  Sometimes you edit like crazy for artistic reasons, and sometimes you do it out of commercial necessity.  (The former is a lot more fun!)

While nothing beats pure IQ for most editing, the more data you have in megapixels generally translates into the best photo if you are pushing and pulling the pixels in different directions while striving to make the photo look perfect right out of the camera.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #320 on: February 23, 2012, 10:52:39 AM »
I am surprised everyone is so focused on the high price increase.  Has anyone been paying attention to food and commodity prices for the past 3+ years when the Mark 2 first hit the market?  You really shouldn't be surprised.  Inflation is rising rapidly.  Our US dollars are becoming useless.

Instead of complaining with your voice, use the most powerful tool you have and don't buy it if you feel it is too high.  If consumers stop placing so much demand on the markets, the markets have to eventually come down to what is feasible to the consumer.  Too many bitch and moan, yet go out and buy the product as though their business cannot still thrive without the latest and greatest gear. 

How did all of the great masters of photography thrive before all of these "great" gadgets and doohickeys?  They adapted to their abilities and mastered them.  How many of you even still use a lightmeter?

Spend your dollars wisely and you won't need to NEED any upgrade everytime a new "latest and greatest" model or piece comes out.  Shoot, I still use PS3, LR2 and shoot with the original 5D.  The only reason i ever upgrade is if something breaks or there is something that is more efficient and can make me more $$.

Master what you have and you will never have to worry about what the dude next to you has.

You are one brave person...   :D
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #321 on: February 23, 2012, 10:56:51 AM »
The simple fact that We will know the exact specs. Price. And release date of the. 5dIII in less than a week is news to b be excited about

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #321 on: February 23, 2012, 10:56:51 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #322 on: February 23, 2012, 10:59:18 AM »
but they don't make eye-fi CF cards

But there are a few SD->CF adapters that work with Canon CF-card bodies.  I use one for eye-fi on a 7D.

And given that a compatible adapter is easy to find, I think that argues again for CF x 2 or CF + XQD.

Yes they make a Adapter and I have one also, but they are slower and error out a lot (buffering) when shooting sports
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #323 on: February 23, 2012, 11:04:50 AM »
The downsized raw modes aren't making full use of the sensor, however we are all assuming that the megapickle monster will have inferior IQ. From what I've seen, the IQ and high ISO of the D800 is nothing short of staggering. NR has a comparison of high ISO between the D700 and D800.

The 5D3 has some very strong competition.

If only Nikon's lens lineup was as impressive as canon's...

Yeah, that is my impression too of the D800.  Early impressions are that this will be an amazing camera.  We won't know for certain for a few months, though.

On another note, whenever I come onto technical forums, I get the impression that people are looking for perfect photos right out of the camera.  No crop, no editing.  If that is how you shoot, then more power to you, but I crop the majority of my photos, sometimes severely, and have spent 10 hours+ editing a single photo.  Sometimes you edit like crazy for artistic reasons, and sometimes you do it out of commercial necessity.  (The former is a lot more fun!)

While nothing beats pure IQ for most editing, the more data you have in megapixels generally translates into the best photo if you are pushing and pulling the pixels in different directions while striving to make the photo look perfect right out of the camera.

Not to take anything away with the D800, it appears to be a very fine camera itself, but anyone remember when sony released it's 24MP crop camera and everyone was panicking saying it would crush the 7D and IQ and this and that... then once the camera finally produced and sent that camera out to the masses, you NEVER hear anything about that camera...  Now i'm sure the D800 is undoubtedly going to have very good IQ, shoot is density is only around the 40D's density and many still praise the 40D's image quality, but there's chance the 5d3, being only 22MP could not only have even cleaner files, but be superior on low light as well.  Plus another unknown is what Canon is adding/changing with DPP... what if they add features where you can increase resolution in the computer without losing IQ, much like fractals or such which would make everyone happy, allow for cropping, and use in larger publications but maintain superior IQ...  There are so many assumptions and comparisons drawn already about 1 camera that hasn't even been released and 1 camera that hasn't officially even been announced.  Now by all means next tuesday if/when any announcements come out, lets all compare to our hearts content. 
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #324 on: February 23, 2012, 11:17:31 AM »
Despite all the talk on the price, what I'm hoping to see is a radio trigger embedded for Canon's new flash system, and just a better sensor than the 5D2.
Either way, with a better AF system, I'm going to seriously consider this camera. My 5D2 has served me quite well so far.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #325 on: February 23, 2012, 11:26:44 AM »
The previous 20+ pages summed up:

"$3500?! INCONCEIVABLE!" - 23%
"Blah blah look at how much I make as a photographer, check me out dooods" - 17%
wild, pointless speculation on other features - 8%
"But the Nikon blahblah is sexier/cheaper/makes me coffee" - 18%
"I want a second hand MK2 / 7D for cheap / free" - 20%

Actual interest and discussion on awesome new features - 13%

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #326 on: February 23, 2012, 11:34:31 AM »
22 megapixels?

I don't buy it.

Talk of a high-megapixel D800 killer aside, why would Canon ever make two different kinds of full frame sensors? They never did in the past.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #327 on: February 23, 2012, 11:37:35 AM »
not sure if this has been brought up, and don't quite have the time to read the 10 pages of replies to this thread that came after i went to sleep last night, but...

The new speedlight is supposed to be moving from IR to radio control - any chance this new 5d might have in camera radio for control of off camera flashes?  That could be quite useful!!
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #327 on: February 23, 2012, 11:37:35 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #328 on: February 23, 2012, 11:44:58 AM »
22 megapixels?

I don't buy it.

Talk of a high-megapixel D800 killer aside, why would Canon ever make two different kinds of full frame sensors? They never did in the past.

Speaking of the past.....  nobody anticipate the release of 5D back in 2005. the company strategy can change, .radically influenced by the market.

PS 5DMK2 was the best seller upper lvl camera that canon ever had.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #329 on: February 23, 2012, 11:55:00 AM »
22 megapixels?

I don't buy it.

Talk of a high-megapixel D800 killer aside, why would Canon ever make two different kinds of full frame sensors? They never did in the past.

Speaking of the past.....  nobody anticipate the release of 5D back in 2005. the company strategy can change, .radically influenced by the market.

PS 5DMK2 was the best seller upper lvl camera that canon ever had.

I am more than happy if all these specs pan out. And I wouldn't say that there is no high MP chance...As Canon officials were talking about recently...you'll never know what next spring or fall has in store for you!
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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #329 on: February 23, 2012, 11:55:00 AM »