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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #435 on: February 24, 2012, 06:47:51 AM »
If:

1.the rumors is true (22mpix, only better AF, price tag)
2. and nothing changes in other parameters (nothing about this in rumor)

5D3, 35L, 85 1.8, 135L, 24-70L, 70-200L IS II, 580 EX II.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #435 on: February 24, 2012, 06:47:51 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #436 on: February 24, 2012, 06:49:05 AM »
If 5D3 only implements aliasing/moire free video and more resolution on video, I will be more happy to upgrade to 5D3. Even if this was the only improvement on the 5D3 over 5D2, it would be worth every cent.

The other thing I always of course would like to be improved, the dynamic range. It is more important than low light performance. I have been happy with the 5D2 dynamic range since it is much better on it than some other Canon DSLRs, but I would be really happy if it was pushed even greater since I always shoot RAW and edit every picture. That would make amazing possibilities for post-production for the kind of photography I typically do.

If thats all you want then look at the anti aliasing filter from http://www.mosaicengineering.com/

This plus a 5dmkii would be much cheaper! Id hope for other improvements such as rolling shutter, maybe 60fps 1080p, improved codec etc from the next model.

And suddenly by adding a antialiasing filter that blurs the already blurry video quality the footage starts to look
like RED right? sarcasm: "Oh wow so convinced".

Mosaic engineering antialiasing filter will help but it will not restore the video resolution nowhere near the 1080p because the 5D2 is not resolving more than something between SD and 720p and the crop sensor Canons are even worse. Mosaic engineering filter can make the video look like good moire-free SD, but not like FullHD. I have been seriously considering getting this filter because a moire free SD is better than the moire h*ll of the DSLR footage.

Video resolution has absolutely nothing to do with the codec, 60p or anything like that. The difference between greatly resolving camera and poorly resolving camera is like day and night even if the codec was really poor and if there was web compression also applied. Poorly resolving uncompressed 4444 12 bit raw looks like crap if compared to a camera that has a poor codec of 8 bit h264 in comparison, but that resolves every pixel of the 1920x1080 frame. This is why Panasonic GH2 even without the hack looks much more sharp than the 5D mark II or any other Canon DSLR despite it has really weak codec with very low bit rate (without the hack). The reduced compression will reduce artefacts on the image, but will never ever not make a blurry video look sharp.

People seem to almost religiously believe that lack of compression will solve the problems. This is not the case. Resolution does not come from nowhere if it did not exist in the first place.

You can do this experiement if you like:
- Make a jpeg image with your 5D mark II and scale it to 1920x1080p. Then save it with compression setting that is relative to the compression of the h264. Now take a video of the same subject. Take a still out of the video. Edit both pictures in image editing program like Aperture and match the colors of these two. Now do a blind test between these. Which one is which. Surprise surprise: equally compressed jpeg will look awesome compared to the frame grab from the video. If the 5D3 will resolve perfect 1920x1080 video, then each frame of that video will be as good as this jpeg scaled to 1920x1080.
- I purchased my 5D2 in the early days after it go launched and I thought that it would be great for video. I was greatly disappointed by the lack of resolution after I did the above test myself.

Yes i do agree with you. Gh2 is much sharper. If only the colours were nearly as nice as canons. I think if there is a big price increase in this latest 5d version, it could be due to highly improved video features of which there are no details. So whilst everyone is upset that the price is possibly so high, it might be justified with excellent video quality as well as the af improvement for stills. This will annoy the people who only want this as a stills camera if they have to bare the increase in price due to superior video features.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #437 on: February 24, 2012, 06:52:04 AM »
Canon EOS-1D X

What else will 5DIII borrow from 1DX, You suppose ?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #438 on: February 24, 2012, 07:43:23 AM »
absolutely NO mention is made about the sensor' size in the specs.
Could very well be the 7D II.
Anyone think the same?
« Last Edit: February 24, 2012, 07:45:07 AM by Autocall »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #439 on: February 24, 2012, 08:06:12 AM »
absolutely NO mention is made about the sensor' size in the specs.
Could very well be the 7D II.
Anyone think the same?

lol Errr No

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #440 on: February 24, 2012, 08:32:16 AM »
It's the 5D mark II successor. Confirmed With someone who knows.
We await the important details.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #441 on: February 24, 2012, 08:38:34 AM »
So  what is some of the big differences between 5DIII and the 1DX?I know price XWEHGWis one thing, but one is full frame and less money,

anyone have a bit of side to side comparison about the specs.

I am a tech newbie.

thanks

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #441 on: February 24, 2012, 08:38:34 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #442 on: February 24, 2012, 08:52:21 AM »
when exactly is Canon's announcement?  27th? 28th? what time-zone?

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #443 on: February 24, 2012, 08:52:44 AM »
So  what is some of the big differences between 5DIII and the 1DX?I know price XWEHGWis one thing, but one is full frame and less money,

anyone have a bit of side to side comparison about the specs.

I am a tech newbie.

thanks

Ah...tech newbie....fresh meat.......

Seriously, we don't know the full extent of what the 5D3 is going to have, but the speculation of differences is:

1 ) 5D3 will sport a 61pt AF and advanced metering system, but will not be the same as the full pro-level AF and metering of the 1Dx
2 ) Will be  much lower shoot rate, approx 7 fps vs. 12 fps of the 1Dx (1Dx also has a 14 fps JPEG burst mode)
3 ) Will have some level of weather sealing, but not have the weather proof pro body of the 1Dx
4 ) Will not have the same level of noise performance at high ISO settings as the 1Dx (1 to 1.5 stops lower performance)
5 ) 5D3 looks to have dual cards, CF and SD cards, but the 1Dx has dual CF cards
6 ) 5D3 will likely have a smaller RAW buffer (temp storage of images during shooting as the camera xfers to the storage cards)
7 ) 1Dx has a built-in grip, the 5D3 will likely be an optional purchase
8 ) shutter probably be have a rated duty cycle life lower than the 1Dx
9 ) 5D3 will probably have a few video features the are not in the 1Dx (speculation here, nothing has been reported, it's just a general consensus)

There are more diffs, other feel free to add.....


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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #444 on: February 24, 2012, 09:01:56 AM »
four more sleeps  ;D

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #445 on: February 24, 2012, 09:42:19 AM »
absolutely NO mention is made about the sensor' size in the specs.
Could very well be the 7D II.
Anyone think the same?

I hope not. I can't wait for a 7d mkii but don't want it at that price range or to have a drop in frame rate. I worry for the future of the 7d if comments around here are to be believed about merging it with the 5 series.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #446 on: February 24, 2012, 09:51:15 AM »
So, **IF** the additional rumor info from NL is correct, and the 5D3's 61pt AF and metering system IS NOT the same as the 1Dx (something I have believed all along and posted/discussed several times in many of the recent threads), this makes it all the more important that the rumored price of about $3500 be a KIT price (camera and lens), and not a body only price. 

I've said several times that getting the full-on 1Dx AF and metering was not likely, based on the technical details of the processors used and the processing demands of the images and the AF/metering systems in the various cameras.  The AF/Metering in the 1Dx has a dedicated Digic 4 processor.  It has two Digic 5 processors to handle the 216Mpix data demands of 18Mpix images at 12 fps, plus all other camera functions.  With an estimated 22Mpix image and 7 fps for the 5D3 (note that 7fps has been listed here but NL has 6fps listed currently), that's a 154Mpix load for what would be a single Digic 5, assuming the AF is full 1Dx and needs the Digic 4 as in that camera.  There is no way that Canon puts 3 processors in the 5D3, no room in the body for it (see the 1Dx circuit board), and no way they will incur that manufacturing cost in this camera.

That being the case, I fully expect to see a dual Digic 5 in the 5D3 handling the image needs and this 61pt "simplified" AF/Metering system now noted on the NL web site.  This makes perfect technical and marketing sense to Canon and fits their track record.

Some folks here are going to be disappointed by this, but honestly, was it realistic to expect Canon to do anything other than this?  To expect the full 1Dx AF and metering based on their clear track record of camera differentiation, regardless of what Nikon does, was just dreaming.  And don't expect a kit with the new 24-70 f/2.8 L II for $3500 either....some people here are floating that lead balloon, I have no idea what they are smoking thinking a $2300 lens plus a $2700-$3000 camera body will sell in a $3500 kit.   Here's another news flash:  it won't have a mirror lockup button either kids.  :)

Of course, depending on what we see in the actual announcement and spec sheet, if the camera comes in with an AF and metering mix of the 7D-1D4-1Dx, has a 7fps frame rate, the 7D nimble handling and convenience features, and decent weather sealing, with a body only price under $3k, I'll give it some serious consideration.  I was fine with a $2999 price from the start for a feature set like this.  However, I'm still leaning towards a 1Dx as a solid workhorse that covers all of my shooting needs and selling my 5D2 w/grip and batteries.

I would not consider a 5D3 as I listed above for the $3500 price if that were body alone, that would seal the deal for a 1Dx by EOY for me.  The price point for consideration is $3k or under for a body only with that feature set above.  I'd rather save for a 1Dx and spend the extra $$$ on a camera that serves a wider set of needs and will be business depreciated over 5 years before selling and replacing.

As for video, I will admit to the following:

1) I have an interest in that for business purposes but know nothing about it
2) I have used the video options on the 5D2 and 7D I own once in the past two years
3) If I'm going to add video to my work, I'll probably get a camera made for that, such as the forth coming 4K DSLR

So whatever video features are included, they aren't a factor to my decision.  I can understand if others have a desire for them, and I'm fine with that being included in the 5D3....it will enable me to learn before expanding to a more specific camera for that work.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2012, 10:00:38 AM by sublime LightWorks »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #447 on: February 24, 2012, 10:10:11 AM »
absolutely NO mention is made about the sensor' size in the specs.
Could very well be the 7D II.
Anyone think the same?

No, you think that because you desperately want a 7DII.  The 7D is only 2 years old, the 5DII is going on 4 years old, and the thing is CR3 for the next 5D.  And it's repeatedly said "full frame"
5DIII/5DII/Bunch of L's and ZE's, currently rearranging.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #447 on: February 24, 2012, 10:10:11 AM »

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #448 on: February 24, 2012, 10:14:02 AM »
So, **IF** the additional rumor info from NL is correct, and the 5D3's 61pt AF and metering system IS NOT the same as the 1Dx (something I have believed all along and posted/discussed several times in many of the recent threads), this makes it all the more important that the rumored price of about $3500 be a KIT price (camera and lens), and not a body only price. 

The only problem I see with that is that Canon said they want to keep the 5D2 in the lineup, and if the 5D3 were only $2500 it seems like no one would buy anymore 5D2's.  The specs aren't that far off from the 1DX and that's a $6k+ camera, I don't see why you would expect it to be $4000 less. 

Canon knows that this is the most anticipated camera of all time (or at least one of them) and that they will sell out no matter what they charge for it.  I'll pay $4000 all day I dont give a S___.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2012, 10:16:26 AM by Axilrod »
5DIII/5DII/Bunch of L's and ZE's, currently rearranging.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #449 on: February 24, 2012, 10:22:00 AM »
absolutely NO mention is made about the sensor' size in the specs.
Could very well be the 7D II.
Anyone think the same?

I hope not. I can't wait for a 7d mkii but don't want it at that price range or to have a drop in frame rate. I worry for the future of the 7d if comments around here are to be believed about merging it with the 5 series.

The only thing you should worry about is your own sanity if you start believing comments on this forum. :)

The 7D has not only been a very good seller for Canon, but customer satisfaction is extremely high. Most of the talk about merging lines, eliminating the 7D etc. etc. comes from people with an agenda. There will be a 7DII, it will be APS-C and it will be fantastic. The only thing I wonder about is if there will be a 7DX as well with an integrated grip, fully-sealed body, etc. etc. to give the former 1D owners a 1.6 crop factor to replace the old APS-H format.

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Re: The Next 5D on February 27/28, 2012 [CR3]
« Reply #449 on: February 24, 2012, 10:22:00 AM »