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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2012, 05:22:56 PM »
Well, heck, then...let's all just get point-n-shoots for "general photography".
My compact with an unremarkable 5.6x crop factor sensor is f/4 actual at 40mm full frame equivalent. So that's f/22 equivalent. Want to compare to APS-C? At 64mm full frame equivalent it's f/4.5 actual for f/16 equivalent.

So while a 40mm f/2.8 isn't going to set blur potential records, it still offers a lot more potential relative to compact cameras.


Elsewhere: if the 200-400 price is remotely true, I feel a Sigma 120-300 purchase coming on!
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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2012, 05:22:56 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2012, 05:31:40 PM »
why 40? that's 40 on FF and 65 on crop. huh?

and what are you going to use it on? consumer DSLRs have that ugly prism/flash thing protruding from the body and a pancake would look real ugly on them
a 5D or 1D is so large that a 50/1.8 already looks like a pancake (i.e. no advantage using an even smaller lens)

why 2.8? I understand the 24 and 28, they have IS, they are wide angle. but 40 is in the "normal" range, f/2 would help. even if not the best quality, who cares.
I hope that this is going to be cheap at least.

Unless they are actually planning a EOS-mount mirrorless camera like the new pentax thing. (uhhgly) so a pancake would make sense. still, 30/35 would have been better.

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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2012, 05:33:10 PM »
The only thing I can think where a 40mm f/2.8 pancake would make sense is on an EVIL camera.  Is this the precursor of Canon's answer to the Sony NEX and Nikon One lines?  I can see where people would be pretty happy using the 24 IS or 28 IS with the 40 pancake for a fairly light kit that would still produce decent video.
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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2012, 05:42:04 PM »

So your comment to Ricku was completely out of line and he had a valid counter to what you said.


Here's the original post from Ricku.

Looks like f/2.8 is the NEW f/1.8 for Canon. With higher ISOs being "grainless", f/1.8 lenses may not be necessary for general photography.
Not if you don't like good bokeh.

Why is he attacking my Original post ??? Did I say that there was anything wrong with people who like Shallow DOF ??? No I just said for many people f/2.8 would work fine. Canon seems to think so too, because they are releasing many NEW f/2.8 lenses. So "Looks like f/2.8 is the NEW f/1.8 for Canon." is a true statement. What has bokeh got to do with it ???

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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2012, 05:59:23 PM »
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hope that f2.8 is a typo.

if not, 'think cosina makes something better for some time now.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/voigtlander/40mm-f2.htm

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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2012, 06:03:16 PM »
If I were considering this lens (personally, I'd get the 500/4 ahead of the 200-400/1.4x, I think), the ability to flip a switch to engage the TC, rather than having to unmount and remount the lens on the TC, would be worth a lot...especially having to juggle a lens as heavy as a 200-400/4.

I have the 300 f/4 and a separate 1.4x.  If they would update the 300 f/4 to add in the TC, it should be a lot cheaper and just as good.  Even if they put the built in 2x TC into the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS, it would be a better choice for the price.

Unless they figured out how to make the 280mm-560mm still at f/4, it isn't worth close to that much.  I would get the 600mm f/4 for that price...

These are my thoughts as well...haering their price tag of $11K means that they came in at literally twice what I was expecting it to be, and takes it out of consideration.

Buying a {400mm DO IS f/4 + 1.4x + 7D body} instead clearly isn't the same feature set, but it is ~30% less costly while also being an entirely redundant standalone kit that would suppliment one's 70-200L setup for shorter focal length shots, etc. 


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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2012, 06:04:04 PM »
Oh HELL no Canon. $11,000 for the 200-400?

The 200-400 lens from the company whose name shall remain unsaid costs $7000. I could buy their lens and a D800 and have enough left for some high-priced companionship.

Wow....

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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2012, 06:04:04 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2012, 06:09:14 PM »
Oh HELL no Canon. $11,000 for the 200-400?

The 200-400 lens from the company whose name shall remain unsaid costs $7000. I could buy their lens and a D800 and have enough left for some high-priced companionship.

Wow....

well when you move over to the nameless system I would be interested in buying your 1D4 :D
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2012, 06:16:08 PM »
well when you move over to the nameless system I would be interested in buying your 1D4 :D
No chance. I live in Argentina half the year and their are huge tariffs on imported camera equipment. I can sell my used gear down here and make a profit :)

That being said, I won't do anything rash... I'm still thinking about the company whose name begins with an S and makes a 120-300/2.8, that with a 1.4 extender is f4 and beats the pants off the 100-400 in terms of IQ. I shall rent it and see.

My ass is twitching.

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« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2012, 06:23:59 PM »
smirkypants wrote"
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Oh HELL no Canon. $11,000 for the 200-400?

If the Canon offereing with TC is as sharp(probably sharper) than the lens from the dark side, then this lens will be outstanding and could put a dent in Canon's other supertele sales. 

I remember when this lens was first discussed, the $10K + number was thrown around.  This won't sell like kit lenses. but many of these lenses will sell world wide when available.

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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2012, 06:31:02 PM »
Not if you don't like good bokeh.

It may surprise you to learn that most people don't give a Flying Eff about bokeh.


Actually.. Most people do care about DOF and Bokeh, they just do not fully understand why a photograph attracts their eye. They do not know how to assess the effects nor how achieved it on a consistent basis. You can see it anywhere, go look on Pbase, DPReview, Flicker etc.. they are the pictures that get commented on the most, get put in the photographers favorites folder, have the most impact on the viewer - and for 'most people' those shots were just luck because they do not really understand what they did.
The problem with shooting for that effect all the time is a rather thin DOF (missed focus) - consumer grade lenses that do not have the sharpness at faster apertures (the proverbial 'soft lens') nor better aperture mechanisms that produce the more appealing bokeh. I have read many comments from 'most people' who question why others would pay $1200 for a 50mm f/1.2 L when 'their' 18-55mm kit lens produces sharper images (at f/5.6 of course).

If I had to guess I would say Canon has decided that f/2.8 is a decent compromise for many. Still providing a creative tool for those who know how to use it, yet still providing a better opportunity for most people to get properly focused shots across the majority of their camera models.
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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2012, 06:40:43 PM »
well when you move over to the nameless system I would be interested in buying your 1D4 :D
No chance. I live in Argentina half the year and their are huge tariffs on imported camera equipment. I can sell my used gear down here and make a profit :)

That being said, I won't do anything rash... I'm still thinking about the company whose name begins with an S and makes a 120-300/2.8, that with a 1.4 extender is f4 and beats the pants off the 100-400 in terms of IQ. I shall rent it and see.

My ass is twitching.

well if that S 120-300 2.8 is anything like their 85 1.4 It would be worth a serious look
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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2012, 06:56:45 PM »
Terry Richardson and Juergen Teller built their Fashion Photography reputations with P&S Film cameras. Juergen Teller is still shooting Ads and Fashion Editorial with his Film P&S Contax G2.

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A Contax G2 is a rangefinder, not a P&S.

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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »
Oh HELL no Canon. $11,000 for the 200-400?

The 200-400 lens from the company whose name shall remain unsaid costs $7000. I could buy their lens and a D800 and have enough left for some high-priced companionship.

Wow....

Don't worry...they'll have a $5000 rebate with purchase of a T4i body buy Xmas.

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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2012, 07:06:03 PM »
Kinda curious, how many of you would buy a new 50mm 1.4 with fantastic optics?  That's the kind of lens I have been waiting/hoping for.  Even if it was let's say $500, I would still jump on it.  Am I the only one who doesn't have thousands of dollars and would still love to have a great affordable lens like that?

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Re: New Lenses Coming [CR3]
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2012, 07:06:03 PM »