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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2012, 12:51:34 AM »
Mobius was probably the worst of the demos, and an embarrassment to filmmaking. He could have done much better with the baller c300. So if he is going to comment on a camera he hasn't used, then why should we care?
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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2012, 01:46:49 AM »
I pre-ordered the 5DM3 because I have a sizable investment in L glass and as a T3i guy it's a solid improvement for me.

However, I have started wondering if the 5DM3 still has the video edge over the D800. Mostly just out of curiosity, I'm not interested in switching. 

What are the pros and cons of each system for guys with a video focus?

Personally I am sticking with 5DII, my next upgrade is going to be doing 4k video.

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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2012, 09:13:11 PM »
What's "L glass"?  Are you referring to Canon's premier level lenses?

Personally, I'm a bit down trodden over the lack of 1080 @ 60.  If only because this $600 Nikon has it..  http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/acil/bodies/j1/spec.htm
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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2012, 11:02:32 PM »
wow, crazy to read posts here about people complaining it's not a sufficient enough upgrade, or too expensive, not worth it, etc. i mean really?

first of all, with its new compression abilities alone, importing into an avid (what i use) will be a vast improvement over the mark II. to complain that it doesn't have a 1080p 60 chip - which the 1dx doesn't have either - therefore, it's not worth it, is just plain silly. first of all, shooting high speed is so yesteryear. i don't know many DPs, producers shooting 60p in the broadcast world i traverse in anymore - which is high-end sports docs. maybe if you are making vimeo videos, having a 1080p, 60 chip will rock your musical montages... right there with all of them TL videos, which are yesteryear as well. if you want to make slow mo video step up to the phantom and do real slo mo.

what matters the most and why we use these cameras are to tell stories. for example, having the ability to shoot without a ton of lights adds to the versatility of the 5d and allowing more intimate access with the subject. now you have an upgrade coming out that will allow you to shoot in even lower light conditions, while improving picture quality -- wow, that's a filmmaker/tv maker's dream come true.

since somebody here mentioned c300, let me chime in: the c300 was not built from a 5d. in fact, it was three years in the making (do math) and was based on canon's video cameras - not DSLRs and targeting cinema DPs, NOT 5d users. the c300, is most amazing with capturing images in low light - just breathtaking. however, it's nowhere close to 5d mark II and mark III with regards to versatility and ease of use, especially, in a run and gun world.

and really, does anyone care what vincent has to say? obviously, canon doesn't.

lastly, i edit and shoot extensively with the 5d in the high-end world of broadcast TV. we also use a lot of footage from RED, sony F3, Alexa and Varicam. the 5d mark II holds up mighty fine against all of those other, MORE expensive cameras. in fact, when all of the mentioned camera's files are transcoded into avid media composer with its DNX compression - real world for most of TV that airs - the mark II looks just amazing and hard to imagine that it's so much cheaper than those other cameras... hence that revolution it started.  now canon is coming out with a new version that actually improves compression and greatly improves the video, offering better low light sensitivity to noise ratio - and that's not worth a grand more?

well, good thing they put a headphone jack in it.


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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2012, 12:43:57 AM »
For me personally the video isn't that big of a leap. Sure it might look better and they fixed some of the artificial video but it isn't that huge of a leap. Personally I'm waiting for the next camera from camera which is the "4k video DSLR" from them. It won't have a huge price tag like the C300 but it won't be cheap as well. 

I mainly shoot video w/ my 5D Mark II but while excited about the 5D III there just wasn't enough to really make me wanna go for it. If your doing video you should wait for the "4K video DSLR".

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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2012, 02:05:28 AM »
...However, I have started wondering if the 5DM3 still has the video edge over the D800....


Funny you should mention that when this blog went live last night.

http://www.steves-digicams.com/news/whoops_nikon_uses_canon_dslr_footage_to_launch_d800.html

If its legit its a pretty big PR blow for Nikon.

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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2012, 02:40:09 PM »
Eye of Mind looks pretty good, but it's only available in low res (WTF Canon?). 

Mario & Nette is a disgrace, and someone should get fired for deciding to use it as a sample movie.

Color of Hope is okay, but like Mario & Nette they relied too much on natural light. I really want to see what the camera can do under Ideal conditions.
 
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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2012, 07:15:12 PM »
Canon 5D Mk III 1080p Sample with EF Lenses Small | Large


5D3 looks awesome for video, check out the new EF 24-70mm f2.8L II lens in the middle part (especially nighttime shots @ ISO=3200)

I think the new combo : 5D3 + 24-70mm II will blow away the old 5D MkII + 24-70mm mk I

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Re: 5DM3 for video?
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2012, 10:53:30 PM »
Nice to see this thread is still going.

Having looked at this video https://vimeo.com/37879608

I think it is clear I need to get the Mark 3, coming from a 60D. If I had a Mark 2 I would probably stick with it. I will look out for some more reviews, but I think I really want the Mark 3 now. Would come in really handy with that low light capability.

Anyone else considering the M3 from a crop sensor?

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Re: 5DM3 for video?
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2012, 12:05:10 PM »
^I think it's time we all start calling it the m3  ;D

I'm torn between upgrading to m3 from mkII or making a big lens investment.
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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2012, 09:35:26 AM »
Mobius was probably the worst of the demos, and an embarrassment to filmmaking. He could have done much better with the baller c300. So if he is going to comment on a camera he hasn't used, then why should we care?

See there's your mistake, thinking that the fact that he had a C300 made ANY difference in the story whatsoever.  In video the story is 100x more important than the camera.  You can't just give someone an Alexa and expect that to make the story, it absolutely will not.  People would much rather see a good movie with lower resolution than some piece of garbage shot on a really high end camera. 
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« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2012, 10:40:19 AM »
https://vimeo.com/38055013

Here's a raw IPB file for you. Set-up to test moire, rolling shutter, ect..

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Re: 5DM3 for video?
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2012, 11:08:53 AM »
For Video, it definitely a BIG LETDOWN. No clean HDMI, I've read from early reports that it's STILL NOT true 1080p. Better than the up-res'd 720p on the current 5D2, but still soft even when compared to the $900 Panasonic GH2. Also, no 1080p 60 fps? WTF?!?!? Isn't this 2012?

I guess I will have to wait for the 4K C-VDSLR.

Plus, no Flip-Screen is a BIG NO NO for video. It makes doing odd angles so much easier. Which kind of confounds me about still photographers. Do stills guys only do straight on shots? Do stills guys not do interesting angles? The Flip Screen is absolutely needed for composing strange and off angles. I guess Cinematographers are just more of an adventurous bunch.

Please come out the C-VDSLR soon. I'm really tired of waiting Canon. You've made the video people wait a long time, and we are still waiting.
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Re: Is the 5DM3 better for video?
« Reply #43 on: March 07, 2012, 11:52:35 AM »
See there's your mistake, thinking that the fact that he had a C300 made ANY difference in the story whatsoever.  In video the story is 100x more important than the camera.  You can't just give someone an Alexa and expect that to make the story, it absolutely will not.  People would much rather see a good movie with lower resolution than some piece of garbage shot on a really high end camera.

I think my point was two fold: 1. Take a cheap shot at an overrated photographer. 2. Point out that he is criticizing (on specs alone) a camera that he hasn't used.

As to your point: On a personal level I could not agree with you more, but I'm not convinced the general public feels this way.

I watched "Downton Abbey" over the weekend, and I swear this show would not be as popular without the Alexa. That camera makes each scene interesting because of the color and detail.  Have you seen it?
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