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« Reply #255 on: February 28, 2012, 09:18:53 AM »
And I wonder where Michael Cruz went off to? He said that he was going to post more stuff, but now hes gone.

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« Reply #256 on: February 28, 2012, 09:22:27 AM »
Are we there yet?  :D

Would the existing 7D users sell off your current 7D's after you buy the 5D3, if the AF of 5D3 can match the 7D?

No. Assuming Canon will not include a crop image format like Nikon does with their DX mode (which I'm pretty sure they've never done before) I would still like to have the extra reach the crop sensor affords. Now if they did include a "APS-C mode" with at least 10MP selling my 7D would be a very tempting option... also assuming that the 7ish fps rumour pans out too.
Can't agree more. The main reason for the cropped camera is the extra reach for most people and a DX mode would solve this problem. If Canon chooses to price the mark III at $3,500 as rumored, that may price out a lot of people from getting two bodies and they would either keep the 7D or a mark II for backup. $3,500 is almost double the price of a new mark II, which is why I think the price will likely be under $3,000.
While I agree the reach is an important aspect and a crop format would be very helpful, I don't think it's the main reason. I think most people buy a crop sensor camera because it's cheaper. If you can afford both and then you choose the crop camera, sure, but most people would buy FF if they could, IMO.

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« Reply #257 on: February 28, 2012, 09:27:43 AM »
The 5D3, on the specs, is one of the long awaited bodies that fulfills our requests as professionals.
Even the 1D X it's not that perfect due to its price.
The 5D had for each generation something innovatory. The 5D was the first low price FF. The 5D2 was the video DSLR that turned the world up side down. The 5D3 is not that innovatory maybe but it will be what photographers demanded for a long time.
Cross my fingers for the price.
I've already passed 24-70 to "at this price, no thank you" so a 5D3 hope to be the chosen.

Maybe the new "innovation" will be wireless transmission to your speed light or the new speed light coming out so off camera speed light(s) can be triggered from the camera w/o the use of pocket wizards and the like.  I do not think any camera has this as yet and last year I was talking to a photographer who uses the Canon's ST-E2 transmitter who said that that piece of equipment might become extinct when the Mark III eventually came out.
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« Reply #258 on: February 28, 2012, 09:28:27 AM »
And I wonder where Michael Cruz went off to? He said that he was going to post more stuff, but now hes gone.

Michael now sleeps with the fishes.
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« Reply #259 on: February 28, 2012, 09:31:11 AM »
And I wonder where Michael Cruz went off to? He said that he was going to post more stuff, but now hes gone.

Michael now sleeps with the fishes.
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« Reply #260 on: February 28, 2012, 09:33:26 AM »
Are we there yet?  :D

Would the existing 7D users sell off your current 7D's after you buy the 5D3, if the AF of 5D3 can match the 7D?

AF points in a cropped frame almost reach the border of the image... On a FF AF points are cramped in the middle... (they are actually the same but the area that is cropped out makes it seem like that)

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« Reply #261 on: February 28, 2012, 09:40:51 AM »
Would the existing 7D users sell off your current 7D's after you buy the 5D3, if the AF of 5D3 can match the 7D?

NO. I use a 500 mm f/4L IS on my 7D. The 800mm (for a FF body) is too expensive and since it's an f/8 I could not add a 1.4x to it and still keep AF on the 5D3.

A lot of people think we shoot 7Ds because we cannot afford 5Ds. But there are a few of us that need a very good APS-C camera because we cannot afford a pair of 1D Mk IVs. And the additional cost and weight of a 600mm f/4L IS makes the 500 a better solution.

But I am thinking of a 5D2 for a landscape kit body.
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« Reply #262 on: February 28, 2012, 09:45:05 AM »
Are we there yet?  :D

Would the existing 7D users sell off your current 7D's after you buy the 5D3, if the AF of 5D3 can match the 7D?

No. The 7D is a great second camera. I plan on keeping my 7D for a long long time.
Agree with that one! 7D is a great second camera and got nice 8fps burst which 5D series doesn't have ;)

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« Reply #263 on: February 28, 2012, 09:45:49 AM »
Are we there yet?  :D

Would the existing 7D users sell off your current 7D's after you buy the 5D3, if the AF of 5D3 can match the 7D?

No. Assuming Canon will not include a crop image format like Nikon does with their DX mode (which I'm pretty sure they've never done before) I would still like to have the extra reach the crop sensor affords. Now if they did include a "APS-C mode" with at least 10MP selling my 7D would be a very tempting option... also assuming that the 7ish fps rumour pans out too.

I don't quite understand why people say this. Now, I 100% agree that have a crop mode is preferable to cropping later. But regardless of the 5DIII having a crop mode you can always crop your images to whatever MP a 1.6x ends up being from a 22mp FF. It's seems odd for something like "crop mode" being the main reason someone would keep or sell their 7D.
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« Reply #264 on: February 28, 2012, 09:47:04 AM »

During the exposure, the reflex mirror (the 'R' in dSLR) is flipped up and completely blocks light entering the viewfinder from reaching the sensor. If your camera is leaking light during long exposures, you should send it to Canon Service, because light leakage sufficient to affect an image directly means a defective camera.

No, not quite. Normally the mirror blocks enough light from the viewfinder, so that it is not seen in the picture. But if you use a filter like ND 3.0 or IR 720, which lets only 1/1000 of the light pass, the light from behind can be clearly seen in the pic, even with a non-defect-cam (on an IR-image it looks blue).

I've not done IR photography with digital, but I have done a fair bit of shooting with ND 3.0 filters (I have them in 77mm and 82mm sizes for various lenses), and I've certainly never 'clearly seen' any effect of light through the VF (I don't use a cover, because I'm shooting manually with the 10-stop ND).  When I shot IR-sensitive film back in the day, there was some light leakage - but the build quality of the cameras I could afford then was nowhere near today's standards for prosumer bodies.

Perhaps you could post an example of a shot taken with and without the eyepiece covered, during a long exposure with a 10-stop ND, to illustrate the point?  I'll try that, myself, too.

The main reason for the cropped camera is the extra reach for most people and a DX mode would solve this problem.
While I agree the reach is an important aspect and a crop format would be very helpful, I don't think it's the main reason. I think most people buy a crop sensor camera because it's cheaper. If you can afford both and then you choose the crop camera, sure, but most people would buy FF if they could, IMO.

I do agree that the main reason most people buy APS-C is becuase the cameras are cheaper.  But the question was for people who have a 7D and buy a 5DIII, would you sell the 7D - in that case, assuming the 7D isn't being sold only to cover the cost of the new body, the answer might be different.  I have both a 5DII and a 7D, and I'll replace the 5DII with a 1D X or maybe a 5DIII (depending on the real AF spec, mostly), but either way, I'll be keeping the 7D - in situations where you're focal length limited, a crop sensor is the second best solution (the best being buy longer lenses, but over 400mm gets $$$$, and the crop sensor is better than cropping a FF image down).  It all depends on the use case for the images, of course.  I've done detailed comparisons of the 5DII cropped image vs. the 7D in focal length limited situations, and the IQ is basically a wash.  But the 7D image is still 18 MP and can even be cropped further if necessary (which it often is), whereas the 5DII image cropped to the same AoV is only 8 MP, and while that might be sufficient, cropping further isn't such a good idea.

A 'DX mode' is only a solution if the FF sensor has sufficient resolution to support it - the 36 MP D800 yields a 15 MP DX image, whereas a 22 MP 5DIII would only yield an 8.5 MP image.  Also, a crop more presents problems for framing the image - with the masking, the VF image becomes very small, since there's no way to magnify the cropped portion to fill the VF.
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« Reply #265 on: February 28, 2012, 09:59:40 AM »
1. What do you guys read into this mistake made by Canon Japan?

2. Why so many times do Canon and Nikon make this mistake on their very own website! I mean, does the web admin type in Canon EOS 5D Mark III then click upload/update and then only realize that it's live and therefore needs to put the page "down" asap?

The credibility is high here, we're talking about Canon Japan's website!

1.  Humans make mistakes.

2.  Web admins have to update the code, create new pages, etc. in order to get things ready.  It's probably just a case of saving the new page in the wrong place (updating it prematurely).


Most web sites I've worked on have an approval process on publishing new/updated pages. I would have expected canon to have this so to me it is quite surprising that this kind of error happened as is should require multiple 'mistakes'

I work in IT myself and have dealt with "change control" procedures for the past decade.  These safe guards still don't prevent human error.  For example, in October of last year, the CPS page on Canon's USA site had accidentally listed an "EF 24mm f/2.8 USM" lens, which wasn't announced until this month.

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« Reply #266 on: February 28, 2012, 10:03:29 AM »
Once again, well put Neuro.

Wildlife photography is a perfect example of where crop sensors + super-tele's shine. It has been my experience shooting eagles, bears, coyotes, etc. that even a 400mm lens on a crop body is not enough. When you reach in your bag for that 1.4 or 2x converter, you're probably even further away and they won't be enough. Any advantage you can get to have the closest appearing image in your viewfinder usually yields the best result. And as Neuro noted, the MP's at the crop size are larger in the crop body.

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« Reply #267 on: February 28, 2012, 10:07:51 AM »
Would the existing 7D users sell off your current 7D's after you buy the 5D3, if the AF of 5D3 can match the 7D?

NO. I use a 500 mm f/4L IS on my 7D. The 800mm (for a FF body) is too expensive and since it's an f/8 I could not add a 1.4x to it and still keep AF on the 5D3.

A lot of people think we shoot 7Ds because we cannot afford 5Ds. But there are a few of us that need a very good APS-C camera because we cannot afford a pair of 1D Mk IVs. And the additional cost and weight of a 600mm f/4L IS makes the 500 a better solution.

But I am thinking of a 5D2 for a landscape kit body.

This would be why I shoot a 7D. That, and a 1D mk IV is heaver, to get the same frame is even heavier still, and much much more expensive... The 7D just makes sense!
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« Reply #268 on: February 28, 2012, 10:09:13 AM »

During the exposure, the reflex mirror (the 'R' in dSLR) is flipped up and completely blocks light entering the viewfinder from reaching the sensor. If your camera is leaking light during long exposures, you should send it to Canon Service, because light leakage sufficient to affect an image directly means a defective camera.

No, not quite. Normally the mirror blocks enough light from the viewfinder, so that it is not seen in the picture. But if you use a filter like ND 3.0 or IR 720, which lets only 1/1000 of the light pass, the light from behind can be clearly seen in the pic, even with a non-defect-cam (on an IR-image it looks blue).

I've not done IR photography with digital, but I have done a fair bit of shooting with ND 3.0 filters (I have them in 77mm and 82mm sizes for various lenses), and I've certainly never 'clearly seen' any effect of light through the VF (I don't use a cover, because I'm shooting manually with the 10-stop ND).  When I shot IR-sensitive film back in the day, there was some light leakage - but the build quality of the cameras I could afford then was nowhere near today's standards for prosumer bodies.

Perhaps you could post an example of a shot taken with and without the eyepiece covered, during a long exposure with a 10-stop ND, to illustrate the point?  I'll try that, myself, too.

The main reason for the cropped camera is the extra reach for most people and a DX mode would solve this problem.
While I agree the reach is an important aspect and a crop format would be very helpful, I don't think it's the main reason. I think most people buy a crop sensor camera because it's cheaper. If you can afford both and then you choose the crop camera, sure, but most people would buy FF if they could, IMO.

I do agree that the main reason most people buy APS-C is becuase the cameras are cheaper.  But the question was for people who have a 7D and buy a 5DIII, would you sell the 7D - in that case, assuming the 7D isn't being sold only to cover the cost of the new body, the answer might be different.  I have both a 5DII and a 7D, and I'll replace the 5DII with a 1D X or maybe a 5DIII (depending on the real AF spec, mostly), but either way, I'll be keeping the 7D - in situations where you're focal length limited, a crop sensor is the second best solution (the best being buy longer lenses, but over 400mm gets $$$$, and the crop sensor is better than cropping a FF image down).  It all depends on the use case for the images, of course.  I've done detailed comparisons of the 5DII cropped image vs. the 7D in focal length limited situations, and the IQ is basically a wash.  But the 7D image is still 18 MP and can even be cropped further if necessary (which it often is), whereas the 5DII image cropped to the same AoV is only 8 MP, and while that might be sufficient, cropping further isn't such a good idea.

A 'DX mode' is only a solution if the FF sensor has sufficient resolution to support it - the 36 MP D800 yields a 15 MP DX image, whereas a 22 MP 5DIII would only yield an 8.5 MP image.  Also, a crop more presents problems for framing the image - with the masking, the VF image becomes very small, since there's no way to magnify the cropped portion to fill the VF.

I agree with everything your saying which is pretty much always the case with you Neuro. I will definitely try to keep my 7D and the only reason I wouldn't would be to offset the cost of the 5DIII which for my type of photography I need more than a 7D. Or to get some glass. Still, a DX mode would make the choice/necessity to sell my 7D a little more bearable.

And I forgot about the masking of the VF image which would blow.

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« Reply #269 on: February 28, 2012, 10:15:45 AM »

I've not done IR photography with digital, but I have done a fair bit of shooting with ND 3.0 filters (I have them in 77mm and 82mm sizes for various lenses), and I've certainly never 'clearly seen' any effect of light through the VF (I don't use a cover, because I'm shooting manually with the 10-stop ND).  When I shot IR-sensitive film back in the day, there was some light leakage - but the build quality of the cameras I could afford then was nowhere near today's standards for prosumer bodies.

Perhaps you could post an example of a shot taken with and without the eyepiece covered, during a long exposure with a 10-stop ND, to illustrate the point?  I'll try that, myself, too.


i did not get the pictures into my post here, so i uploaded them to my blog: http://fotoschule.westbild.de/2012/02/cr-effect-of-viewfinder-cover-in-ir-photography/

i found a *very* illustrative sample from a test i did and added a rather normal example.
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