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Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« on: December 07, 2010, 11:51:32 AM »
600D Not unexpected, but a new Rebel will arrive in 2011.

I’m told it will be announced in the April timeframe.

There will be no Rebel XS successor. Expect the T2i to become the entry level Rebel.

5D Mark III Nothing of note. I do expect it to arrive in 2011 in some form.

7D Mark II There won’t be a 7D replacement until at least 2012.

1Ds Mark IV Something is coming at the end of 2011, I’ve had a few more assurances that the camera will be a departure from the current 1Ds family.

1D Mark V Nothing I’m told about the Mark V I put much stock in. Full frame comes up as expected. This camera is probably still in very early testing and development.

The merging of the 1D/1Ds may occur in 2012. There are some signs to suggest the possibility, the biggest one being the departure the next 1Ds will take (maybe even the name of the camera).

Mirrorless Nothing of note has been mentioned lately.

PowerShot The usual upgrades can be expected to start in late January. I’ve received nothing out of the ordinary.

Megapixels The megapixel war is not over, even if Canon is the only one fighting it. Expect large increases in the next 12 months.

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Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« on: December 07, 2010, 11:51:32 AM »

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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2010, 11:55:21 AM »
The megapixel war is not over, even if Canon is the only one fighting it. Expect large increases in the next 12 months.
Damn It!  >:(

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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2010, 12:11:26 PM »
5D Mark III
Nothing of note.  I do expect it to arrive in 2011 in some form.

I'm looking forward to ordering the 5DIII in 2011 - I'm sure I'll be able to order it along with the 24-70mm f/2.8L IS zoom lens, a herd of unicorns, a perpetual motion machine, and many other wonderful, mythical products...

CR1 indeed...   :o
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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2010, 12:16:40 PM »
i'm thinking about buying a 5dII - do you think i should wait for the 5d Mark III? (i wouldn't have a problem to wait 3 months.. but if it's going to be more like a year i would probably go with the mark II for now :) ) any thoughts?

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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2010, 12:24:10 PM »
i'm thinking about buying a 5dII - do you think i should wait for the 5d Mark III? (i wouldn't have a problem to wait 3 months.. but if it's going to be more like a year i would probably go with the mark II for now :) ) any thoughts?

No one knows.  3 months, 6 months, 2 years?  Its all just guesses based on past new model introductions.  My take is that the 5d MK II is selling very well, so Canon sees no need to introduce a replacement that would be just a minor upgrade, but cost more.

The rumors of any substantial changes are just the dreams, as are the comments about poor AF performance from those who don't use one.

I've had mine from the first batch that was shipped in late November 2008 and its been great.

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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2010, 12:33:31 PM »
...as are the comments about poor AF performance from those who don't use one.

"Poor AF performance" is definitely not true...but I can say from experience that the 5DII's AF performance is not as good as the 7D, and the 5DII has trouble tracking moving subjects where the direction of movement is toward or away from the camera (although that's probably a combination of less effective AF and longer shutter lag).

For stationary subjects, the 5DII's center AF point is excellent.  The off-center points, besides being insufficiently spread out, are single-orientation points that sometimes hunt for focus, in my experience. 
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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2010, 12:44:37 PM »
hopefully the new Rebel will have a good video AF, Phase deteaction would be good.... or else we are so behind.

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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2010, 01:26:11 PM »
...as are the comments about poor AF performance from those who don't use one.

"Poor AF performance" is definitely not true...but I can say from experience that the 5DII's AF performance is not as good as the 7D, and the 5DII has trouble tracking moving subjects where the direction of movement is toward or away from the camera (although that's probably a combination of less effective AF and longer shutter lag).

For stationary subjects, the 5DII's center AF point is excellent.  The off-center points, besides being insufficiently spread out, are single-orientation points that sometimes hunt for focus, in my experience.

Out of interest, do you find this holds true with slower lenses that don't activate the cross type sensors?

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2010, 01:38:14 PM »
A 600D next year would be quite unexpected actually. What are they going to improve there without stepping on the 60D toes ???

The 1DsIV rumor is very plausible. The new 50mp studio camera does not need to come in the familiar 1Ds form-factor.

An update of the 1DIV is very, very probable next year.
This is the camera that needs an update the most in the Canon lineup - despite that it's newer than the 1DsIII.
The 1DIV successor is blocking all other updates (5DIII, 7DII, etc.), so unless Canon is planning to not release any new cameras next year, the 1DIV will be the first one to be updated.
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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 01:46:31 PM »
So Canon will allow Nikon to completely dominate the entry level spot with the D3100 at 14MP (vs. 10 for the XS), 12800 ISO (vs. 1600 for the XS), and 1080p24 (vs. no video for the XS).  I thought this is where the two companies made their big money (smaller margin, but much higher volume).  Unless Canon replaces the XS with the T1i at a bigger discount ($50-100) when the 600D arrives and the T2i moves down.

Currently
Nikon D3100 @ $700 MSRP/$600 street >> Canon XS @ $550 MSRP/$500 street
and is still better than Canon T1i @ $750 MSRP/$600 street (except in both cases that the D3100 is AF-S lens only)

If the T1i dropped to $500 street, Canon would sell hundreds of thousands more than they already have.

If a 600D is released in early 2011 what will the specs be?  Won't it out-spec the 7D (excluding AF, build quality, micro-adjust and a few other items) and 60D?

What would be nice is if Canon started transitioning (starting with the 600D) to pentaprisms in all EOS cameras  :D  They wouldn't need to change the coverage or magnification, but just change from mirrors to prisms to have a nice, bright view through the VF.
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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2010, 01:58:59 PM »
So Canon will allow Nikon to completely dominate the entry level spot with the D3100 .

The 550D is the #1 selling camera - and it's more expensive than the D3100.
So, the D3100 is not dominating anything.

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If a 600D is released in early 2011 what will the specs be?  Won't it out-spec the 7D (excluding AF, build quality, micro-adjust and a few other items) and 60D?

Completely agree with that.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2010, 02:02:35 PM »
Bring out a damn new 5Dwith 30+ MP and I sell all my Canon gear. Fed up with this S___. I have already stoped buying lenses.


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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2010, 02:37:02 PM »
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"Poor AF performance" is definitely not true...but I can say from experience that the 5DII's AF performance is not as good as the 7D, and the 5DII has trouble tracking moving subjects where the direction of movement is toward or away from the camera (although that's probably a combination of less effective AF and longer shutter lag).

For stationary subjects, the 5DII's center AF point is excellent.  The off-center points, besides being insufficiently spread out, are single-orientation points that sometimes hunt for focus, in my experience.

Out of interest, do you find this holds true with slower lenses that don't activate the cross type sensors?

The cross-type sensors on the 7D (all 19 AF points) and the 5DII (just the center AF point) are all f/5.6-sensitive.  I suspect you're thinking of the high-precision f/2.8-sensitive AF points.  On the 5DII, that's the center one and the 'invisible' assist points above and below the center, and those are all f/2.8-sensitive single orientation sensors (i.e. for the center point, the horizontal f/2.8 sensor is 'superimposed' on the f/5.6 cross sensor).  On the 7D, just the center AF point is high-precision f/2.8-sensitive, and that's a pair of diagonal lines (i.e. a 45° rotated f/2.8 sensor superimposed on the f/5.6 cross sensor).

But, to answer your question, I do see a difference between the center f/2.8 and peripheral AF points in cases where DoF is really thin and AF accuracy is most important, i.e. with the 85mm f/1.2L II shot wide open, or even with the 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II at the long end shot near the MFD.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2010, 03:06:36 PM »
A 600D next year would be quite unexpected actually.

There will be a new Rebel next year.  Updates to entry level/consumer lines are nearly as certain as death and taxes.   What was there, really, to update on the S90?

What are they going to improve there without stepping on the 60D toes ???

How did they update the 50D without stepping on the 7D's toes?  They took some things away, like AFMA. 
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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 03:15:27 PM »
if canon can drop a 60D that doesn't step on the 7D's toes, I think it'll be pretty easy for them to think up a 600D that doesn't step on the 7D's toes ... or even the 60D's toes for that matter.

canon could very simply pop out a 600D that is feature-wise nearly identical to the 60D but minus the articulating screen and the prism viewfinder ... and that would basically justify the $100 that will separate the two bodies at retail.

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Re: Camera Body Breakdown [CR1]
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2010, 03:15:27 PM »