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Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
dlleno:
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--- Quote from: briansquibb on April 15, 2012, 08:48:37 AM ---5DII is hardly an upgrade for a sport aps-c where a good AF and fps is required
A aps-h with the same spec as the current 7D - but with the AF, IQ and high iso would be an attractive upgrade.
Think of the L lens Canon would start selling - and also ease the path for dual body ownership
The cost of the body is significantly smaller than the cost of the lens and other acessories
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I realize there is a lot of concern with 7D owners not knowing what their future will hold in the fields of sport photography... but shouldn't one use a 1DX for sports photography? And if they can't afford a 1DX, the 5D Mark III is also seen as a viable alternative for sports shooting. Especially with another FF body being added to the line up at the entry-level, I don't know if there would be justification to have two more prosumer aps-c bodies above the rebel line. Additionally, they are adding a 1DC to the FF line up as well... So maybe they will still keep an expanded aps-c line around in the future. But at the 7D price point, I think we might be looking at an entry level FF rather than a 7D successor. Maybe the entry level FF will have a decent continuous shooting rate but take cuts on ISO, AF (maybe keeping a 19pt), and IQ and resolution. It might be called a 6D???...
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I am sure that the 1DX would manage for sports and at a pinch, birding. Not so sure that the 5DIII would be useful for anything more than occasional sports and birding use.
However we then get back to the issue of the lack of reach of a ff and the extra lens you need to achieve the same image.
The simple arithmetic shows that the 500mm:
- 1.6 gives 800mm equivalent
- 1.3 gives 650mm equivalent
- ff gives 500mm equivalent
I cannot imagine that a 7D owner with a 500mm used for birding would want an upgrade that would mean dropping $5k+ for the 1Dx and $10k+ for an 800 - just to take the same pictures. A 7D owner with a 600 would have nowhere to go.
It isn't even as if an 800 can be used with a 1.4 as the 1Dx doesn't support f/8 AF
The gap is very large between a 1.6 and a ff - what I am suggesting is that a 1.3 aps-h in a 5DIII shell would be an easy solution to help bridge that gap. It is proven (and good) technology that would give Canon a mid range sports shooter with significantly better IQ and low light performance than the 7D plus the proven potential to support significantly more mps.
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exactly, +1 on that. its hard to imagine Canon abandoning the the crop body for serious wildlife. I mean beyond the current xxD line which is basically an upscale rebel. Just because Canon's announcement implied that the 1D4 would rest, doesn't mean the 1.3 is going away or that Canon would abandon the pro level wildlife photographers. What form that will take is the question - I'm not convinced that will be a 7D2 but I would certainly cheer if it was! Speaking of upselling though -- a 1.3 7D would be quite an upsell for the recreational wildlifers. Do you see the 1D4 crowd migrating to a body named higher than 1?
briansquibb:
--- Quote from: dlleno on April 16, 2012, 04:47:32 PM ---
exactly, +1 on that. its hard to imagine Canon abandoning the the crop body for serious wildlife. I mean beyond the current xxD line which is basically an upscale rebel. Just because Canon's announcement implied that the 1D4 would rest, doesn't mean the 1.3 is going away or that Canon would abandon the pro level wildlife photographers. What form that will take is the question - I'm not convinced that will be a 7D2 but I would certainly cheer if it was! Speaking of upselling though -- a 1.3 7D would be quite an upsell for the recreational wildlifers. Do you see the 1D4 crowd migrating to a body named higher than 1?
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I think if the specs were right then they would move - 3D sounds good. Imagine a 1D4 with 22mps - the video would be great as well.
smirkypants:
--- Quote from: briansquibb on April 16, 2012, 05:44:38 PM ---I think if the specs were right then they would move - 3D sounds good. Imagine a 1D4 with 22mps - the video would be great as well.
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Definitely. With the 5D3 there are plenty of former 1D-something users "downgrading." Most people who are sophisticated enough to buy a series 1 camera know enough to look at features not model numbers. How many studio photographers are really going to purchase a 1D something over a 5D3? The answer is, not that many. Just show me the specs and I can make up my mind. Hell, if it shot 8fps, a 1.6 crop and in all other ways matched the 5D3, I'd buy it even if it were named after a male sex organ.
briansquibb:
--- Quote from: smirkypants on April 16, 2012, 07:07:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: briansquibb on April 16, 2012, 05:44:38 PM ---I think if the specs were right then they would move - 3D sounds good. Imagine a 1D4 with 22mps - the video would be great as well.
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Definitely. With the 5D3 there are plenty of former 1D-something users "downgrading." Most people who are sophisticated enough to buy a series 1 camera know enough to look at features not model numbers. How many studio photographers are really going to purchase a 1D something over a 5D3? The answer is, not that many. Just show me the specs and I can make up my mind. Hell, if it shot 8fps, a 1.6 crop and in all other ways matched the 5D3, I'd buy it even if it were named after a male sex organ.
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History shows that many 1DS2 shooters moved to the 5DII instead of the 1DS3.
However the serious BIF shooters on the whole will go for the best rather than the cheapest
dlleno:
--- Quote from: briansquibb on April 16, 2012, 05:44:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: dlleno on April 16, 2012, 04:47:32 PM ---
exactly, +1 on that. its hard to imagine Canon abandoning the the crop body for serious wildlife. I mean beyond the current xxD line which is basically an upscale rebel. Just because Canon's announcement implied that the 1D4 would rest, doesn't mean the 1.3 is going away or that Canon would abandon the pro level wildlife photographers. What form that will take is the question - I'm not convinced that will be a 7D2 but I would certainly cheer if it was! Speaking of upselling though -- a 1.3 7D would be quite an upsell for the recreational wildlifers. Do you see the 1D4 crowd migrating to a body named higher than 1?
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I think if the specs were right then they would move - 3D sounds good. Imagine a 1D4 with 22mps - the video would be great as well.
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+1 the hesitancy might come if Canon really does abandon the 1.3 and a 1.6x 7D2 becomes the only wildlife body. But we haven't seen any real evidence that 1.3 is going away -- only that 1D and 1Ds are merging, which means a 1.3 could still appear in a different model. I like the 3D suggestion in fact.
This would leave the 7D as the premium 1.6x wildlife body, and the xxD as the premium rebel. I have to admit, having suggested that 7D would be confusing with 70D, that 1D and 1Ds didn't seem to cause any undo discomfort, save the fact that they are merging now
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