Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??

[blufox]

7D Mk II Wishlist:
15MP APS-C/18MP APS-C.
Great DR
2 to 2.5 Stop improved ISO from current 7D sensor on RAW files.
30 point AF, all cross type similar to current 7D AF points.
2x Digic5
8fps
Improved Weather Sealing
1600$ price

[Marine03]

since the 1D IV is EF lenses only, can the APS-H even work with EF-S lenses for everyone who currently has them on their 7D?

[rj79in]

Isn't it great that Canon doesn't charge people for dreaming / drawing up a wishlist? 

[iaind]

7D MK II Wishlist:

24 MP APS-C

61 pt AF (running down from the 1Dx)

Command dial lock

2x Digic 5+

2 stops improved ISO

9FPS

Improved Weather Sealing

Expect to pay £2500-3000 given Canon's new pricing policy

[Marsu42]

since the 1D IV is EF lenses only, can the APS-H even work with EF-S lenses for everyone who currently has them on their 7D?

Nope - the ef-s lenses are designed for the small aps-c mirror, that's why aps-h is phased out as "the worst of both worlds": no good but inexpensive ultrawide ef-s lenses and no full usage of ef lenses at the same time. The one plus point "slight increase of tele range" doesn't compensate these problems.

[unfocused]

I think people are being too pessimistic about the pricing of a future 7D.

In reading most of these wish lists (and taking into account that they are wish lists), it seems to me that most of the suggestions are reasonable or at least not impractical.

People seem to be consistently asking for:

• No change, or only minimal change in megapixels;
• Some improvement in autofocus;
• Some improvement in dynamic range, noise, ISO;
• The same or slightly improved build quality.

Yes, many folks are stealing specs from the 1D IV and the 5D III, but I think that's just because it's what we have to go on.  And, we all have our pet features we'd like to see incorporated, but none of those are deal-breakers.

I can't see that any of the above would drive the cost of the next model up significantly. If someone has some explanation, other than disappointment over the price of the 5D III, I'd like to hear it.

Yes, a bombproof 7D X fully-gripped body with special features designed for working pros (LAN connectivity, super high frame rate, etc. for example), would drive the cost of that model up,

But, for the ordinary 7D II, if I had to summarize, it seems to me that the overriding message is: "Canon, we like the 7D, so just don't screw it up!"


 

[pj1974]

I am a photographer who owns and uses the current 7D extensively, and I really like the camera. It is a very good step up from other APS-C cameras.

My 7DmkII wishlist is:

• 5 Custom settings on mode dial (get rid of "Creative Auto" and "Full Auto")
  
• Apart from that keep the body the same
• At least 2 stops cleaner 18MP APS-C sensor
• Improved DR at all ISOs, especially at 100 and 200 (for landscapes)
• Exposure bracketing allowing up to 9 photos (+/- 5EV)
• Dual Digic 5+ (one dedicated to AF)
• Built in interval meter
• Price AUD $1800 - $2000

Possibly / optional (points below not critical to me)

• Possibly up to 30 AF points (all cross-type, need to be well spaced out
• ISO up to 25,600 (or 51,200 - even if noisy)
• Fast & full time AF for video & Live View - linked to AF button (can use FT MF on USM lenses)
• Dedicated mirror lock-up button, or assignable to an existing button eg MFn
• Sturdy flip out screen (useful for macros)
• Option of 12fps @ 8MP or 10 fps @ 10 MP
• Dual cards (SD backup for ultra critical events / photo outings)
• With these 'optional' points included above, price AUD $2000 - $2200

Am I being unreasonable?

Paul

[willy]

My wishes for the mkII:
- ISO3200 clean pictures
- Better dynamic range than 7D
- Some in-camera capabilities: in-camera HDR pictures, in-camera noise reduction...
- 100% viewfinder
- CF (dual or not)

Coming from the 400D, I'm sure it will be a great gear !
Good waiting for every one !

[flanniganj]

Although I'm still strongly considering the 5D3, a reasonably priced 7DII would be intriguing as well:

• Dig!c 5+: Make it snappier, but keep the cost from exploding by omitting the additional Digic 5 (since the current one has dual Digic 4). I would settle for Digic 5+ and a Digic 4 if they still wanted two processors, but I would hope they go with a single to make Magic Lantern Unified available.
• 10fps: with the 5+, this seems to be pretty logical. Maybe 9fps. Not sure how much they would need to beef up the shutter. The 7D already shoots 8fps. I don't really need this, but the way I see it, they should use whatever the processor will give them, and then beef up the housing to handle it. Don't slow it down to what the housing can handle.
• 18MP (APS-C): I can't say I've seen a reason to increase it, especially if by not doing so makes the 10fps more feasible/cost-effective. The Digic 5+ made the 5D3 snappier and that's pushing more MPs at full frame and this one would still be a crop
• 45-point AF at least 20 cross-type: If they're improving the AF, this seems more logical than dropping in the 61/41 that's in the 5D3 and 1DX, in terms of pricing that is.
• The Metering and AF system should be connected, like it is in the 5D3 and 1Dx
• One stop improvement in ISO and maybe DR: Might be a bit much to ask if I want the price to stay close to what it is, but this is a wishlist after all.
• Drop the pop-up flash: I've never used it on my camera. Not once.
• Radio trigger: in both directions. Camera to strobes, remote to camera.
• Dual card slots: I don't care if they're CF or SD, just make them the same. Not a big deal, but consistency would be nice.
• Thunderbolt: Pie in the sky I'm sure, but that kind of speed would be lovely. Especially considering that Intel is including Thunderbolt in new PCs now too, skipping right past USB 3.0.
• I don't see them adding any more functionality to the video more than say what's gleaned from improved ISO and processing. If they had something like 1080p/60fps, it would be in the 5D3 or 1DX. But, perhaps something more possible: 1080p/48fps.
• Little things: Mode dial lock, capacitive wheel (I thought that was awesome on the 5D3), 7-step bracketing, 3:2 viewing screen (although I think that will be a given), same battery.

Too much to ask?

[RC]

I am a photographer who owns and uses the current 7D extensively, and I really like the camera. It is a very good step up from other APS-C cameras.

My 7DmkII wishlist is:

• 5 Custom settings on mode dial (get rid of "Creative Auto" and "Full Auto")
  
• Apart from that keep the body the same
• At least 2 stops cleaner 18MP APS-C sensor
• Improved DR at all ISOs, especially at 100 and 200 (for landscapes)
• Exposure bracketing allowing up to 9 photos (+/- 5EV)
• Dual Digic 5+ (one dedicated to AF)
• Built in interval meter
• Price AUD $1800 - $2000

Possibly / optional (points below not critical to me)

• Possibly up to 30 AF points (all cross-type, need to be well spaced out
• ISO up to 25,600 (or 51,200 - even if noisy)
• Fast & full time AF for video & Live View - linked to AF button (can use FT MF on USM lenses)
• Dedicated mirror lock-up button, or assignable to an existing button eg MFn
• Sturdy flip out screen (useful for macros)
• Option of 12fps @ 8MP or 10 fps @ 10 MP
• Dual cards (SD backup for ultra critical events / photo outings)
• With these 'optional' points included above, price AUD $2000 - $2200

Am I being unreasonable?

Paul

Really like your list, especially two additional Custom Functions in place of the CA and A modes (I think P is more than enough for "auto" modes)  I've always felt there should be 5 custom modes on all bodies! 

Also like the additional bracketing.  I usually bracket in 2/3 stops but I'd love to do 9 - 1/3 stops.  (Ya, I know I can do 3 sets of 3 by dialing the pointers more and less exposure, and sometimes I do.)

I use to wish my 7D had interval function like my P&S S80 but after I bought a TC-80N3 I'm more than happy to have this function as an accessory (and I'm sure Canon liked the extra bucks).  A built in intervalometer would probably add $150 to the body.

For mirror lockup, I have an option for that under "My Menu"

[Michael7]

If you folks want to see a one stop improvement in noise, you're going to need to bring the 18mp down to 14, 15, or even 12. There's just way too many pixels for a crop sensor right now. It is a great camera, but they went too far there.

I'm not interested in jpeg software wizardry, but rather a REAL one stop noise improvement that is noticeable from ISO 100 to 1600in an unprocessed RAW file.

[JonJT]

If you folks want to see a one stop improvement in noise, you're going to need to bring the 18mp down to 14, 15, or even 12. There's just way too many pixels for a crop sensor right now. It is a great camera, but they went too far there.

I'm not interested in jpeg software wizardry, but rather a REAL one stop noise improvement that is noticeable from ISO 100 to 1600in an unprocessed RAW file.

1 stop increase would increase the margin over the D7000 by only ~1/4 of a stop, according to DxOmark's measurements.  I'm not sure that is enough for the camera to remain relevant over it's ~3 year life cycle.  I'm thinking, at least 1.5 stop increase to firmly establish Canon this cycle and frankly, I'm not sure I'd even consider buying one unless such an increase was realized, in addition to other sensor improvements.  The sensor is the most salient "issue" with the 7D and, canon really needs to turn out a quality product to keep people on the bandwagon. 

If Canon doesn't realize such improvements, used 7D here I come!

[pj1974]

I am a photographer who owns and uses the current 7D extensively, and I really like the camera. It is a very good step up from other APS-C cameras.

My 7DmkII wishlist is:

• 5 Custom settings on mode dial (get rid of "Creative Auto" and "Full Auto")
  
• Apart from that keep the body the same
• At least 2 stops cleaner 18MP APS-C sensor
• Improved DR at all ISOs, especially at 100 and 200 (for landscapes)
• Exposure bracketing allowing up to 9 photos (+/- 5EV)
• Dual Digic 5+ (one dedicated to AF)
• Built in interval meter
• Price AUD $1800 - $2000

Possibly / optional (points below not critical to me)

• Possibly up to 30 AF points (all cross-type, need to be well spaced out
• ISO up to 25,600 (or 51,200 - even if noisy)
• Fast & full time AF for video & Live View - linked to AF button (can use FT MF on USM lenses)
• Dedicated mirror lock-up button, or assignable to an existing button eg MFn
• Sturdy flip out screen (useful for macros)
• Option of 12fps @ 8MP or 10 fps @ 10 MP
• Dual cards (SD backup for ultra critical events / photo outings)
• With these 'optional' points included above, price AUD $2000 - $2200

Am I being unreasonable?

Paul

Really like your list, especially two additional Custom Functions in place of the CA and A modes (I think P is more than enough for "auto" modes)  I've always felt there should be 5 custom modes on all bodies! 

Also like the additional bracketing.  I usually bracket in 2/3 stops but I'd love to do 9 - 1/3 stops.  (Ya, I know I can do 3 sets of 3 by dialing the pointers more and less exposure, and sometimes I do.)

I use to wish my 7D had interval function like my P&S S80 but after I bought a TC-80N3 I'm more than happy to have this function as an accessory (and I'm sure Canon liked the extra bucks).  A built in intervalometer would probably add $150 to the body.

For mirror lockup, I have an option for that under "My Menu"

Thanks RC for your reply to my post.  (+1)   

Glad to know that you also see the convenience of those Custom settings on the mode dial. Why someone needs CA and Auto is beyond me. If I 'lend' my camera to someone, it's usually for 1 type of photography (eg 'photos of their children at soccer'- and I preset the certain custom setting and tell them to always have it on eg C3 - and give a few quick pointers about that style of photography.

I totally agree, so much handier to do many multiple exposures if eg can do 9 in a row, rather than '3 x 3'. Particularly if you don't have a tripod with you (eg using a rock, tree, etc). Thankfully the 8fps helps to capture the frames quickly (good for HDR).

In my case, I bought a Hahnel Giga T Pro II for Canon (bit less than $100) - which provides a good set of interval and remote functionality (particularly handy that I can sit inside and take photos many metres away with my camera outdoors). I use it (usually on a tripod obviously) for time-lapse photography, occasionally landscapes, macros and self-portraits or other detailed work) But yes, it would be good if even a basic interval meter could be built in... (without raising price, surely it's just a software / firmware possibility!)

Thanks for reminding me, yes I also have the Mirror-lock up function listed on 'My Menu' too. Sometimes I forget that I added it there several months ago (and go to "Custom settings"). I've set up so the Custom menu pops up whenever I press 'Menu' - and this is another very user friendly touch with the 7D, that adds to it being a powerful tool.

As to a few other postes mentioning it might be unrealistic to expect 'lower noise' (eg 1.5 to 2 stops better than the 7D) from an 18MP APS-C... I think it can be done... yes also by Canon... but surely the sensor will have to improved substantially. Technology does still afford us this scope, even with the dense pixel ratio. 18MP is just such a good size for me (for cropping, enlarging, etc). One can hope... and provide it on a 'Wishlist' at least!

Cheers all. I enjoy posting on these forums.

Paul

[wickidwombat]

I dunno about a wishlist but this is what I think it will be

same body basically with slight build improvement
dual card slot CF/SD
use same battery
mode dial lock
27MP sensor maybe 28(they will want to 1 up sony i am sure of it ) i know this is pushing the realms of resolution think of the prototype 50MP APS-H factored down to 1.6 APS-C

high ISO might be lucky to be a stop better but we will see definately wont touch the 5D3

I think they will sort out the issues with the current 18MP noise and softness
i think 2 Digic 5+ and 9FPS too
and agree 61pt AF will be on it
it definately wont have f8 AF

Price will be $2700 to $2500
and there will be rivers of tears over that last item

Thats my official prediction

[kdw75]

I dunno about a wishlist but this is what I think it will be

same body basically with slight build improvement
dual card slot CF/SD
use same battery
mode dial lock
27MP sensor maybe 28(they will want to 1 up sony i am sure of it ) i know this is pushing the realms of resolution think of the prototype 50MP APS-H factored down to 1.6 APS-C

high ISO might be lucky to be a stop better but we will see definately wont touch the 5D3

I think they will sort out the issues with the current 18MP noise and softness
i think 2 Digic 5+ and 9FPS too
and agree 61pt AF will be on it
it definately wont have f8 AF

Price will be $2700 to $2500
and there will be rivers of tears over that last item

Thats my official prediction

If that price is right then I will just skip it and get a 5D MK III, which I am sure will be down around $3000 with a sale or rebate, sometime later this year.