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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #360 on: April 28, 2012, 05:42:36 AM »
7D2 would be around $2000-2600?
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« Reply #361 on: April 28, 2012, 06:18:26 AM »
Excellent aps-c lens

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.... and (apart from non OEM) ...?

are they that much cheaper than the budget L lens?



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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #362 on: April 28, 2012, 06:25:09 AM »
7D2 would be around $2000-2600?

I really doubt that. If Canon is coming out with an entry-level FF camera (which should not carry the 7D name for obvious reasons), then how would a 7D successor be priced at $2000-$2600?  I'm not sure that there is any place for a 7D in the future Canon line up, but if there is one, then I think it would be priced the same as the original 7D. A lot of people seem to expect that the 7D should be packed with all these 1D4 type features that even the 5D3 does not have, but fail to realize that what they are describing falls more in line with what the 1DX is for $6800. Thus is the result of wishful thinking and rumors lol.

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« Reply #363 on: April 28, 2012, 01:21:06 PM »
7D2 would be around $2000-2600?

I really doubt that. If Canon is coming out with an entry-level FF camera (which should not carry the 7D name for obvious reasons), then how would a 7D successor be priced at $2000-$2600?  I'm not sure that there is any place for a 7D in the future Canon line up, but if there is one, then I think it would be priced the same as the original 7D. A lot of people seem to expect that the 7D should be packed with all these 1D4 type features that even the 5D3 does not have, but fail to realize that what they are describing falls more in line with what the 1DX is for $6800. Thus is the result of wishful thinking and rumors lol.

Not everyone wants to go FF. I assume that the entry level FF will have either the 5D II AF system or a slightly better one, but nothing close to 7D. And on top of that there is the extra reach you get from APS-C.

Excellent aps-c lens

- 10-22
- 17-55
- 15-85

.... and (apart from non OEM) ...?

are they that much cheaper than the budget L lens?

Yes, please add the Tokina 11-16mm and the Tamron 17-50mm non-VC (I don't know why you ignore non OEM). They might be not as good as some of the L glass, but they are cheaper and deliver great pictures for their price point. Not everyone has $2,000 laying around "just" for a single lens.

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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #364 on: April 28, 2012, 01:57:58 PM »
If the rumors of a Nikon D600 at 24MP are correct and it will sell at around $1500, then you can kiss goodbye to any hopes of a 7D Mark II. There just isn't space to put a product like it into the lineup and have it sell competitively against the competition.

Or to put it differently, how would the 7D Mark II sell against a full frame camera that was priced sub-$2000?

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« Reply #365 on: April 28, 2012, 03:02:58 PM »
Or to put it differently, how would the 7D Mark II sell against a full frame camera that was priced sub-$2000?
You forget that there are a significant number of people who want the reach of a crop. A ~20MP crop camera with great IQ holds great appeal for people who shoot at a distance.

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« Reply #366 on: April 28, 2012, 03:15:59 PM »
Anyone know if the DIGIC 5 or 5+ has the same pinout as a DIGIC 4? Same or better power dissipation?

They generally don't release that information (plus they've said in the past that each DIGIC model isn't actually a single processor, although I'd guess the ones they put in their DSLRs are the same if they have the same designation), but I don't think they'd even bother releasing a new one if it wasn't going to be more power efficient, since that's literally the #1 most important thing for embedded computing, way more important than performance or any other metric.

If the rumors of a Nikon D600 at 24MP are correct and it will sell at around $1500, then you can kiss goodbye to any hopes of a 7D Mark II. There just isn't space to put a product like it into the lineup and have it sell competitively against the competition.

Or to put it differently, how would the 7D Mark II sell against a full frame camera that was priced sub-$2000?

If the 7D2 had 61-pt AF, 8+ fps, top-of-the-line weather sealing, etc., and the entry-level FF just had image quality and ISO going for it. Even if it takes a lot of corner-cutting to offset the extra cost of the FF sensor, there are a lot of corners to cut in such a complicated device.

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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #367 on: April 28, 2012, 04:08:00 PM »
Or to put it differently, how would the 7D Mark II sell against a full frame camera that was priced sub-$2000?
You forget that there are a significant number of people who want the reach of a crop. A ~20MP crop camera with great IQ holds great appeal for people who shoot at a distance.

Riddle me this.

If you could buy a Canon DSLR today that was full frame but cropped was 18-20MP, would you buy it and crop or would you use the pictures as they were? Or if there was a crop mode for use with L lenses, would you use it?

If the 7D2 had 61-pt AF, 8+ fps, top-of-the-line weather sealing, etc., and the entry-level FF just had image quality and ISO going for it. Even if it takes a lot of corner-cutting to offset the extra cost of the FF sensor, there are a lot of corners to cut in such a complicated device.

Just buy yourself a 1D series camera, ok?

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« Reply #368 on: April 28, 2012, 05:36:17 PM »

Riddle me this.

If you could buy a Canon DSLR today that was full frame but cropped was 18-20MP, would you buy it and crop or would you use the pictures as they were? Or if there was a crop mode for use with L lenses, would you use it?
Today? In the last couple of months I've used a 5D3 a 1D4 and a 7D for shots at a distance with the best of L lenses ... a 400/2.8. The 5D just doesn't cut it. Of course I shoot a sport that is shot at a very great distance. On a very bright, crisp sunny day, I prefer the 7D. On a day shooting in less than ideal conditions, I prefer the 1D4. I suppose if I were shooting basketball I wouldn't mind the 5D3.

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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #369 on: April 28, 2012, 05:42:32 PM »
The 5D just doesn't cut it.

... because? Less reach? Worse af?

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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #370 on: April 28, 2012, 05:48:35 PM »
If the 7D2 had 61-pt AF, 8+ fps, top-of-the-line weather sealing, etc., and the entry-level FF just had image quality and ISO going for it. Even if it takes a lot of corner-cutting to offset the extra cost of the FF sensor, there are a lot of corners to cut in such a complicated device.

Just buy yourself a 1D series camera, ok?

I have no interest in something that heavy, nor can I afford the more recent entries in the 1D series. I'm not in the market for a 7D-like camera either, since I rarely shoot things that move. You asked how a 7D Mark II would sell against an entry-level full frame, and my suggestion was that it would sell just fine against an entry-level full frame with nothing going for it other than being full frame.

I kid you not, if Canon released a camera with a full frame sensor that only went up to 400 ISO, shot 1 FPS, had only one autofocus point, and no weather sealing, but had 14 stops of DR and virtually nonexistent noise at ISO 100 (or even better, native ISO 50) for under $2000, I would buy it. Today. And I bet you I'm not alone.

Everyone wants something different in a camera, so having competing models at the same price point expands the potential market at least as much as it cannibalizes sales from other models. And if they have a camera that caters to a market that the competitor doesn't have a foothold in, then the sales they're cannibalizing are someone else's.

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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #371 on: April 28, 2012, 05:53:08 PM »
The 5D just doesn't cut it.

... because? Less reach? Worse af?
Because compared to the 7D, the 5D has less than half the megapixels in the same shot as the 7D's 18. If you have to do any cropping with the 5D, and you have to do a LOT of cropping at things shot far away, you're down to tiny files without much detail. It doesn't work for me at all. Like I said, if you're not shooting at super long distances, it's fine, though. Really nice.

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« Reply #372 on: April 28, 2012, 06:32:54 PM »

Not everyone wants to go FF. I assume that the entry level FF will have either the 5D II AF system or a slightly better one, but nothing close to 7D. And on top of that there is the extra reach you get from APS-C.

Yes, please add the Tokina 11-16mm and the Tamron 17-50mm non-VC (I don't know why you ignore non OEM). They might be not as good as some of the L glass, but they are cheaper and deliver great pictures for their price point. Not everyone has $2,000 laying around "just" for a single lens.

We are talking about the 7D upgrade havin the 1D4 AF - far better than the 7D

If you think a L lens is $2000 then you are looking in the wrong place.

Used 17-40 are $5-600
Used 24-105 are $about 1000

Not that different from APS-C, which are budget lens - not designed for the top of the range 7D and up cameras

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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #373 on: April 28, 2012, 07:39:01 PM »

If you think a L lens is $2000 then you are looking in the wrong place.

Used 17-40 are $5-600
Used 24-105 are $about 1000

Not that different from APS-C, which are budget lens - not designed for the top of the range 7D and up cameras

Uh oh. Wrong thing to say, Brian!
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Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« Reply #374 on: April 28, 2012, 07:56:13 PM »

If you think a L lens is $2000 then you are looking in the wrong place.

Used 17-40 are $5-600
Used 24-105 are $about 1000

Not that different from APS-C, which are budget lens - not designed for the top of the range 7D and up cameras

Uh oh. Wrong thing to say, Brian!

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« Reply #374 on: April 28, 2012, 07:56:13 PM »