September 21, 2014, 02:20:17 AM

Poll

what will have better IQ???????

1DX
64 (81%)
5D3
15 (19%)

Total Members Voted: 79

Author Topic: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...  (Read 10850 times)

briansquibb

  • Guest
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 07:26:01 PM »
Just like the 1DsIII's superior image quality to the 5DII's, I know that the 1DX will be better than the 5DIII.  I suspect that the 1DX's sensor will have a slightly weaker anti-aliasing filter, among other features that will be required to put the 1DX a level above the 5DIII.

I don't understand this - the 5D2's image quality was always considered fractionally better than the 1DS3's.

I don't think there will be anything to choose between the 1DX and 5D3, given their similar resolution and equal developmental age.

The 1Ds3 was acknowledged to have better IQ than the 5D2 at ISO's under 800.  The 5D2 suffered from banding issues at low ISO settings, well documented.  Above ISO 800-1600, the 5D2 was better than the 1Ds3 in IQ.

A lot of folks just assumed the 5D2 was better across the board, but most people were really referring to the IQ at higher ISO settings.  We're splitting hairs here, it's not some huge difference, but it is enough to notice it, especially at lower ISOs.

Especially skin tones at iso100 - the 1ds3 is supreme

canon rumors FORUM

Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2012, 07:26:01 PM »

bdeutsch

  • PowerShot G1 X II
  • ***
  • Posts: 52
    • View Profile
    • Gotham Family Photos
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2012, 07:35:26 PM »
For me the question is 5dm3 or nikon d800.  Gotta wait to see the official specs and comparative reviews.


Actor Headshots NYC | Gotham Family Photos | NY Wedding Photos

zedoc

  • Guest
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 09:35:30 AM »
Anyone know where the 1DX is available for pre-order in Europe please?

PhilDrinkwater

  • Guest
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 10:22:12 AM »
A camera is about more than it's sensor. With the 1dx you are getting a camera which is truck full of electronics to allow you to shoot very very fast and very very accurately. I doubt that the 1dx IQ will be significantly better than the 5d3.

Canon keep talking about the IQ of it's JPEGs and not answering questions about the RAWs. They've been saying the JPEGs are 2 stops better than the last generation which we already know is true for the JPEGs due to high NR, but the RAWs look to be about 2/3rd stop better.

The 1dx has more processors so maybe it produces better JPEGs and maybe it has a few tricks up it's sleeves with the sensor, but I suspect any improvements will be "less than 1/2 stop" when you look at the RAW files.

DzPhotography

  • Canon 70D
  • ****
  • Posts: 268
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 02:43:43 PM »
Had the change to try them out both yesterday (sample prepoduction versions) They're both, very, VERY good. 1DX has a significant advantage in low light AF and ISO performance, but the 5DX is also already really good in these areas. I believe Canon has two top products there
EOS 550D | EOS 7D | EOS 6D | EOS 1Dx | EF-S 15-85 | EF 28f2.8 | EF 30f2.0 | EF 40f2.8 | EF 50f1.8II | EF 16-35f2.8L MkII | EF 24-105 f4L | EF 24-70f2.8L | EF 70-200f2.8L MkII | Sigma 10f2.8 Fisheye | Sigma 50f1.4 | Tamron 17-50f2.8VC | Tokina 11-16f2.8 | 430EXII | 580EXII

DzPhotography

  • Canon 70D
  • ****
  • Posts: 268
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2012, 02:44:38 PM »
Anyone know where the 1DX is available for pre-order in Europe please?
Exactly where in Europe?
EOS 550D | EOS 7D | EOS 6D | EOS 1Dx | EF-S 15-85 | EF 28f2.8 | EF 30f2.0 | EF 40f2.8 | EF 50f1.8II | EF 16-35f2.8L MkII | EF 24-105 f4L | EF 24-70f2.8L | EF 70-200f2.8L MkII | Sigma 10f2.8 Fisheye | Sigma 50f1.4 | Tamron 17-50f2.8VC | Tokina 11-16f2.8 | 430EXII | 580EXII

stilscream

  • Rebel T5i
  • ****
  • Posts: 127
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2012, 06:24:18 PM »
no vote for equal IQ? just kidding, I voted 1dx
7d, 5d mk iii, 1d4, 1dx, 35mm f1.4L, 70-200mm IS ii USM, 300mm f4 IS USM, 600mm f4l is USM, 400mm f2.8l is usm, 14mm tamron f2.8, 17-40mm f4L, 24-70 f2.8L USM, 85f1.2L USM, 100mm f2.8 macro

canon rumors FORUM

Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2012, 06:24:18 PM »

wickidwombat

  • Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II
  • *******
  • Posts: 4506
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2012, 06:41:14 PM »
BUT the 5D3 has just been said to have 'UNSURPASSED IQ'

thats why they are releasing the 5D3 before the 1Dx so they are telling the truth they just dont also mention the until we release the 1Dx part after that :P
APS-H Fanboy

pelebel

  • PowerShot G1 X II
  • ***
  • Posts: 34
    • View Profile
    • Photographes de mariage et d'évènements à Québec
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2012, 07:25:17 PM »
How could the 1DX loose?
5D mkII, T2i with 24-70mm f/2.8 L, 135mm f/2 L and 50mm f/1.8 II Photographes de mariage et d'évènements à Québec

takoman46

  • Guest
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2012, 07:27:50 PM »
I can't see Canon making the same mistake they did with the 5DmkII and 1DSmkIII having comparable IQ. So I feel that the 1Dx should be noticeably better with IQ than the 5DmkIII.

mrmarks

  • EOS M2
  • ****
  • Posts: 163
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2012, 07:42:32 PM »
Still waiting for raw samples from the 1DX. Can't find them anywhere :-[

JoeDavid

  • Rebel SL1
  • ***
  • Posts: 95
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2012, 08:10:52 PM »
How could the 1DX loose?

One way would be resolution.  The 5DM3 has 4M more pixels.  At low ISOs it, at least theoritically, could resolve finer detail.  Of course the AA filter choices Canon has made may purposely prevent it...

Curmudgeon

  • Power Shot G16
  • **
  • Posts: 24
    • View Profile
Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2012, 09:56:12 PM »
Does anyone really think Canon, after releasing the 1Dx which was touted as the merging of the 1D and 1Ds lines, but with performance and quality surpassing both, will turn around and hand the IQ crown to a camera body less than half it's cost?

Seriously?

Yes, the 5D3 will have "unsurpassed image quality".......AT IT'S PRICE POINT.  But I'll bet the 1Dx wears the IQ crown in a head to head comparison.

I'm not sure you can draw that conclusion from the relative pricing of the two models. In the past five years Canon--and Nikon--have been all over the charts with regard to the relative price/performance ratios of their "flagship" and "prosumer" models. I think that's because both manufacturers and long-time (i.e. professional or serious amateur) customers have been making the psychological transition from film to digital in shifts and starts. Until 2002 or so, camera makers were the optical equivalent of, say, Rolex, producing precision mechanical devices in which the performance of the individual unit correlated precisely to the cost of the materials selected and the amount of highly skilled (and expensive) labor required to fabricate it. The pricing of various models naturally reflected those costs of production.

The digital revolution in photography has slowly been turning that paradigm inside out. The camera body which used to be a precsion mechanical object with a life expectancy of a decade or more is now primarily an electronics commodity item. The best of them--however long they may last--no longer offer competitive performance after four or five years. The lowliest Rebel made in 2012 is probably superior to the 1Ds2 in every respect except build quality. (Let's not get hung up on this ancillary supportive statement, please.) Likewise, the bulk of camera manufacturing costs are no longer in materials or assembly, but in R&D. Once you have designed a component and acquired the ability to fabricate it, the cost of including it in an indvidual unit of production is trivial by comparison.

Removing a $10 chip from your high-volume camera to slightly "cripple" its autofocus performance in relation to your high-dollar model may differentiate your model lines internally, but it leaves you vulnerable to the competitor who decides to incorporate that chip (for little cost) in its high-volume model.

Camera companies (and even some of their customers) seem to remember and forget these facts on a regular six-month rotation. Nikon seemed to have gotten the idea when it began quickly migrating its top-of-the-line autofocus system to less expensive models--giving them a competitive advantage for very little increase in per-unit manufacturing cost. Likewise, there is no question that the D700 was all but the performance equal of the D3--and in a lighter, more compact package. And then, just when it looked as if Nikon had fully made the jump into the 21st century, the company brought out the D3x at an inflated $8000 price that had even ardent Nikon fans howling for a boycott.

With the D800 Nikon seems to have stepped back through the looking glass into the realities of digital era pricing. Compared to the D3x, it offers 50% more MP, better high-ISO performance, faster FPS (and an upgraded feature set in almost every other respect) all for $5000 less--before inflation. Technological progress over the past three years doesn't come close to accounting for this difference. It's one more indication of the blind, arbitrary, stab-in-the-dark nature of current pricing practices among the major camera manufacturers.

Canon's recent history is similarly back and forth. We can argue about the barely discernable differences in the IQ of the 5D2 and the 1Ds3. (The consensus among people who own both seems to be that 1Ds3 renders more subtlely at low ISOs while the 5D2 is better from about 1600.) But Canon itself proclaimed the 5D2 to have the superior IQ and seemed quite willing to throw the 1Ds3 under the bus in return for the massive demand for the 5D2, demand created by its 1Ds3+ feature set. Similarly, Canon's high-end 1+ MP rear LCD appeared first on a "consumer" model. More recently, the pricing of the 1DX and the 5D3 seem to be a step backward toward the old pricing model.

I would argue that the very terms "flagship"and "prosumer" no longer accurately describe any of the models introduced in the last six months by either Nikon or Canon. The day of the $6000 to $7500 (USD) camera body is over, although some folks--among both manufacturers and customers--just ain't got the news yet. The "flagship" models are now loss leaders or exclusively halo products, or both. Top dollar cameras now sell to a small market of well-heeled amateurs and the tiny minority of pros who work under the extreme conditions found in war zones, action photography at the most competitive levels, or resolution-hungry fields like fashion or architecture. And with the D800, erven those boundaries are being blurred. I suspect that nowadays the real value of  the "flagship" in the overall corporate marketing strategy is to make similarly-featured but volume-priced models look like a bargain.

Considering all this, I'm not sure there is yet a coherent and internally consistent strategy in the way Canon and Nikon feature-equip and price their models. I wouldn't be at all surprised if--in spite of Canon's claims about unifying the 1D line--the 1DX and 5D3 end up as the latest versions of the 1D4 and the 5D2/1Ds3, each superior for certain purposes. And if the D800 sells well enough to force a high MP response from Canon, it will be truly fascinating to see how Canon attempts to price and position that camera.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 11:47:17 PM by Curmudgeon »

canon rumors FORUM

Re: 5D3 or 1DX for Ultimate Image Quality...
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2012, 09:56:12 PM »