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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 02:57:37 AM »
It is a bit worrisome that CW mentioned nothing about better DR at ISO 100-400.... I fear it may still lag Nikon by 2 stops of DR.

And that 7.5fps dropped to 6.9fps dropped to 6.0fps and they still want $3500.

AF is probably better than expected (assuming same speed and no watered down algorithms), so that is great. :D Really great actually!

$3500 is a little bit much since they didn't give it a super expensive 7-8fps mirror box.

It probably should be priced more like the $3000 of the D800, but for now it is not.
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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2012, 02:57:37 AM »

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2012, 02:58:49 AM »
Who cares about megapixels... only uncle bobs.  I'm glad the price is a bit above what it was before.  I see too many people who don't know anything about photography with mkIIs.  Now hopefully less of them will buy the mkIII.

Why does it matter that people who don't know how to use it have it?

According to you, you'd rather only really good photographers with high amounts of disposable income have this camera than really good photographers with high disposable income along with really good photographers without too much money and n00bs.

Its not like other people having it makes your pictures any less good.

I'm not complaining about the price necessarily.  Maybe it is worth what its being priced for - although it seems a little steep for a progression of a model.  I just don't buy the argument that you're glad its expensive, so it will be a little more exclusive.

p.s. - there are still plenty of rich people out there who don't know squat about photography who will still buy this thing.

I believe he's talking more about teenagers/college students who use dslr's to take mirror photos. As a college student, this is a huge pet peeve for me when I see rich kids get expensive cameras but use them like point and shoots.

I have no problems with adults who buy the cameras and have no idea how to use them. These people have a job and work for their money. They are entitled to spend it however they please.

I do however, have a problem when it is a person my age who has a good camera only because their rich parents bought it for them. They don't have jobs, so they didn't work for the camera. They flaunt it around and act as if having a good camera means they are a good photographer.

I know it doesn't affect my abilities, but it just annoys me when I worked hard to get something that other people can get just by asking their parents. One of my roomates is a prime example of this  :-\
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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2012, 02:59:30 AM »
A major mistake on the price.  Is this camera so good it warrants a launch price double the high street price of the previous model, and 25% more expensive than the D800?  Somehow I doubt it, the improvements seem very incremental over the MkII, and while that camera sold in massive numbers I'll stick my neck out and say that this one won't.

I'm going to hold off buying one, I'm convinced Canon are going to get a shock when customer demand isn't any where close to what they expect, and that the price will fall quite dramatically within 6 months of launch.  I bought the 5D MkII soon after launch with a battery grip and spent £1900  I'd now have to spend close to twice that for a camera which isn't going to give me twice the image quality.

For me it's a big thumbs down I'll keep my cash until Canon get some sense, I remember the outcry of Nikon shooters over the D3x price, and a lot of them boycotted the camera, it didn't sell well at all, this is how I see the MkIII, it's just not enough of a step change to justify the price.

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2012, 03:00:07 AM »
It is a bit worrisome that CW mentioned nothing about better DR at ISO 100-400.... I fear it may still lag Nikon by 2 stops of DR.

And that 7.5fps dropped to 6.9fps dropped to 6.0fps and they still want $3500.

AF is probably better than expected (assuming same speed and no watered down algorithms), so that is great.

But for 4 years they had to do something big.

$3500 is a bit much since they didn't give it a super expensive 7-8fps mirror box.

It should be the same $2700 as the 5D2 or the $3000 of the D800 at absolute worst.


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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2012, 03:11:35 AM »
The price is way out of whack. $2700 is more than acceptable. These features are not a big enough jump to justify $3500.

I'll pick up a used 5D II in a few months for landscape, or maybe a d800e.

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2012, 03:42:39 AM »
What a turnaround

Yesterday the 5D2 was a useless product - no today the 5D3 is overpriced etc and everyone is going to buy a 5D2

It amuses me to see the comments being made when the poster has seen neither camera but is just regurgitating a previous ignorant lowly experienced commentator

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2012, 03:53:46 AM »
I already have 5dII. I wanted more MP (more than D3X at 24MP), much better ISO performance, and better AF.

Why did Canon play this so foolishly? I am invested in Canon somewhat, and don't care about this new announcement. What a monumental letdown. I don't know how any current 5d owner could get very excited about this "ground-breaking" new DSLR.

I would rather have the 1dX. Even at over $3k more, you will have similar IQ at low ISO. I can't believe the resolution went up by 1 measly MEGAPIXEL!!!!!

I hope I am wrong. This is like the ending to Saving Private Ryan. An old man crying is all I see.....

I'm sorry, but I have to smite you, my friend. If I could smite you ten times in a row, I'd do that, too. You don't seem to get that for the last several years, the ENTIRE time we've all been waiting for this camera, we all heard nothing but "LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!!". Here we are, on the day the long-awaited 5D III is released, and everyone is BITCHING about the fact that we  "only" got a "measly" single extra megapixel. Well DAMN, PPL?!? If you wanted uberpixels, why did you demand less mp and ask for better ISO?!?!

Simply put, the 5D III is a FANTASTIC camera from a specs standpoint. Canon listend to ALL of their users complaints, and fixed just about all of them, from what I can tell! Like the 1D X, it STOPPED focuing on megapixels, megapixels, megapixels, and STARTED focusing on WHAT PEOPLE FRIGGIN ASKED FOR!!!!!!!!! We just got a whopping TWO STOPS of NATIVE ISO improvement!!! The Nikon D4 didn't change native ISO one tiny bit, and neither did the D800!!

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

We just got an unbelievable, entirely unexpected 61 point AF system with 41 cross-type sensors!!! And to go along with that, we got a nice boost from 3.9fps to 6fps, 18 continuous frames, and dual memory card slots (and don't you DARE complain about the fact that they are not both CF or both SD...YOU HAVE TWO FRIGGIN MEMORY CARD SLOTS, and are probably sitting pretty on 50,000 unused SD cards that you couldn't use any more once you went to the 5D II!)

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

"WHAAAA! So screw Canon, they are a bunch of b*tards for listening to their CUSTOMERS. PFFAH! Nikon HERE I COME!!" - anonymous, ubiquitous complainer

GROW THE FRACK UP PPL!!

YOU...GOT...WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!!

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And what you asked for...IS AWESOME! Can't wait to get mine. :D
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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2012, 04:49:05 AM »
For people expecting a baby 1DX at $2000 the 5DIII might be a disappointment. But if the specs we see on paper translate into clean high ISO pictures, snappy AF, better ergonomics etc. I would think of the 5DIII as a rather cool camera and I'd love to get one. The only thing that dampens my spirits a bit is the hefty price tag.
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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 12:51:15 AM »
I am OP. This is my argument: We, as consumers, are collectively indifferent. some want this, and some want that.

The 1dX addresses High ISO performance issues. We also have the existing 1D4 (16 MP) that is impressive in high ISO. And it is a wonderful camera from all I have seen, read, and heard.

Okay, so since the 5dII came out nearly 4 years ago, Canon has added 1MP, better ISO performance, similar video features, same metering, 2 frames per second, and "pro" AF. All of this for $500 more-- 4 years later.

I know I am leaving out some specs--what dual card slots that many sub-FF cameras already have? I just don't see why anyone would pay $1,500 MORE for these upgrades. And yes, the 5dII can be found for $2,000 flat.
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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2012, 01:25:25 AM »
Has anyone used the camera and processed a RAW file?
p.s. it's spelled "Climactic".

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2012, 02:05:15 AM »
I think there is some sticker shock to get over.

Yes. It is more expensive. And to want to still buy it, just like a photographer selling more expensive prints and albums and shoots, there has to be an increase in value to the buyer.

I think most agree - if someone said they could upgrade your 5D Mk II free of charge they might take the chance - many currently see this as an improvement on the 5D.

So if you agree the 5D MkIII is an improvement on the mark II then its mostly about the
Cost of the two models and what you get, right?
(once you've got past unrealistic expectations and wanting the moon on a stick for a dollar)

It's a one off cost. You've got to square paying double for the camera than a 5DmkII
Or another £1,500.

It's a one off cost. But it's up front.
One new improvement might not be worth that.
All the improvements might not be worth that.
But all the  improvements over time might be.

The worst day for this kind of product is the one you have to pay for it.
Then you get to enjoy it for years!

For some, they can see now that they'll regularly have, let's call them moments where they appreciate the new camera - the camera locks focus in a dark chapel
- they get the shot in a sequence and appreciate the higher frames per second

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance - some of the comments about the camera are like The Kübler Ross model!

It is personal. For some this camera isn't right for them now,but maybe in the future or maybe never.
Like Vincent LaForet. He's got his eyes on something 3x more expensive!

There are some great previews out of this camera  -
Canonrumors guy quoted the money shot for me of Jeff Ascough's preview.

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2012, 02:45:21 AM »
It is no where near enough to get me to drop 3500. In 6 years I have NEVER put ether one of my DSLR cameras in burst mode. I have truly not had enough ISO to get the shoots that I want once. The DR has been a issue and I will wait to see the hard facts on that and if when it all washes out I may think about this when the price drops and I really think that after the first crop of I have to have the latest out there they will not make anywhere the numbers that they are looking for. The beginning of nest year I bet that we see a drop. I shoot a 5D for 5 years and love it and I am sure that I will love the Mk II that I picked up for a while to come. I would be more likely to buy a 3d with the same ISO, DR as the MK 3 and 40 MP and NO video at 4K or even maybe 4.5k. Again when I got my 7D I played with the video once and then have never turned it on again. They are people that need or want something different. If I was not so heavly invested in Canon glass I would be looking very hard at a going to nikon but with over 10k in glass for Canon I cannot switch so I will just sit on the side lines

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2012, 02:46:00 AM »
Consumer electronics in general is probably not good for the climate, but let's not exaggerate. The 5D3 will probably not be significantly more anti-climatic than e.g. the D800. After all, they are both designed in the land of Kyoto, you know, the city with the protocol.


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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2012, 02:47:09 AM »
I already have 5dII. I wanted more MP (more than D3X at 24MP), much better ISO performance, and better AF.

Why did Canon play this so foolishly? I am invested in Canon somewhat, and don't care about this new announcement. What a monumental letdown. I don't know how any current 5d owner could get very excited about this "ground-breaking" new DSLR.

I would rather have the 1dX. Even at over $3k more, you will have similar IQ at low ISO. I can't believe the resolution went up by 1 measly MEGAPIXEL!!!!!

I hope I am wrong. This is like the ending to Saving Private Ryan. An old man crying is all I see.....

I'm sorry, but I have to smite you, my friend. If I could smite you ten times in a row, I'd do that, too. You don't seem to get that for the last several years, the ENTIRE time we've all been waiting for this camera, we all heard nothing but "LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!!". Here we are, on the day the long-awaited 5D III is released, and everyone is BITCHING about the fact that we  "only" got a "measly" single extra megapixel. Well DAMN, PPL?!? If you wanted uberpixels, why did you demand less mp and ask for better ISO?!?!

Simply put, the 5D III is a FANTASTIC camera from a specs standpoint. Canon listend to ALL of their users complaints, and fixed just about all of them, from what I can tell! Like the 1D X, it STOPPED focuing on megapixels, megapixels, megapixels, and STARTED focusing on WHAT PEOPLE FRIGGIN ASKED FOR!!!!!!!!! We just got a whopping TWO STOPS of NATIVE ISO improvement!!! The Nikon D4 didn't change native ISO one tiny bit, and neither did the D800!!

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

We just got an unbelievable, entirely unexpected 61 point AF system with 41 cross-type sensors!!! And to go along with that, we got a nice boost from 3.9fps to 6fps, 18 continuous frames, and dual memory card slots (and don't you DARE complain about the fact that they are not both CF or both SD...YOU HAVE TWO FRIGGIN MEMORY CARD SLOTS, and are probably sitting pretty on 50,000 unused SD cards that you couldn't use any more once you went to the 5D II!)

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

"WHAAAA! So screw Canon, they are a bunch of b*tards for listening to their CUSTOMERS. PFFAH! Nikon HERE I COME!!" - anonymous, ubiquitous complainer

GROW THE FRACK UP PPL!!

YOU...GOT...WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!!

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MEH.  :o

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Re: Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2012, 02:52:34 AM »
This camera is going to be awesome for pro's as Canon has answered ours prayers with all the new features. In fact there's more improvement than ppl are giving it credit for ie. _2ev focussing, MA at both ends of a zoom lens etc there's loads of improvements that are going to make a big difference to pro's.
I've pre ordered mine an I'm 19th on the list I can't wait.

I reckon there are some Nikon owners twitching :D

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