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What are your plans with regards to purchasing a new camera

I'm buying the Mark III for $3500
181 (44.7%)
I'm keeping my Mark II since the Mark III is priced to high
92 (22.7%)
I'm selling my Mark II and buying a Nikon D800 for $2999
35 (8.6%)
I'm a crop owner (or first time buyer) and now I'm waiting for the Mark II Price drop.
69 (17%)
I'm waiting for the T4i specs before purchasing a 60d, 7d, or t3i.
17 (4.2%)
I'm just going to purchase a T3i, 60d, or 7d and call it a day.
11 (2.7%)

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #450 on: March 15, 2012, 02:20:13 PM »
Nikon just reduced the price of the D800 in Canada.  Retailers originally had it listed at $3149 CAD, now it's only $2999 CAD.  Maybe Canon will follow suit?

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« Reply #450 on: March 15, 2012, 02:20:13 PM »

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #451 on: March 15, 2012, 02:26:51 PM »
Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.

Sorry, but you either misheard, or more likely, the Canon rep was talking BS and doesn't understand such things, either.  An f/8 sensor has a narrower baseline than an f/5.6 sensor, so it actually takes up less space on the sensor.  Doesn't mean they could fit them in, but that's reality - the narrower the aperture, the more tightly spaced the lines. 

To see what I mean, compare an f/2.8 sensor with an f/5.6 sensor - see the diagram below, look how far apart the f/2.8 lines are compared to the f/5.6 lines.
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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #452 on: March 15, 2012, 05:34:38 PM »
Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.

Sorry, but you either misheard, or more likely, the Canon rep was talking BS and doesn't understand such things, either.  An f/8 sensor has a narrower baseline than an f/5.6 sensor, so it actually takes up less space on the sensor.  Doesn't mean they could fit them in, but that's reality - the narrower the aperture, the more tightly spaced the lines. 

To see what I mean, compare an f/2.8 sensor with an f/5.6 sensor - see the diagram below, look how far apart the f/2.8 lines are compared to the f/5.6 lines.

Well sensors aren't just about their sensitivity, but also the type of sensors, points, cross type, diagonal and so on. Apparently they couldn't fit it with this kind of configuration to keep the focusing system as good as the new one.
If an f/8 sensor was always smaller, don't you think they could just put all f/8 sensors accross the whole frame? It would have been awesome, but probably they don't work as well as f/2.8 or f/5.6 sensors.

@briansquibb: wow so you take pictures to birds at 1200...using a flash?
I totally understand taking pictures at birds with 1200...but really quite difficult if handheld...but I don't get the use of a flash for wildlife at 1200mm.

So you prefer taking pictures at high ISO up to 1600 with the 1D4 instead of using the 1Ds that you say you use only up to 400ISO ??

I don't talk rubbish, tell me where I misquoted you, I can't read your mind I just read what you write.
What is that you don't like about the graphs beside denoting how the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3?
In SNR 5D2 is better than 1Ds3 at every ISO settings.
In dynamic range 1Ds3 is slightly better than 5D2 at ISO 100, then becomes equal at ISO 160 and then 5D2 wins on all the other ISO settings.
Tonal range they're pretty much the same with the 5D2 slightly better.
This is what the graphs say.

By the way as matter of a fact I tried the 5D3 today and is an AWESOME camera. It totally beats 1Ds3 and 5D2, it is soooooooooooo AWESOME! You should really try it. I tried also the 1DX, but due to the price is not for me. Maybe one day I'll get the 5D3, but I see the 1DX far away at the moment.
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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #453 on: March 15, 2012, 05:59:25 PM »
Still today Canon guys told me about the f/8 focus and the way focus works, they preferred to do it this way because an f/8 sensor is bigger than an f/5.6 thus they wouldn't have been able with the actual technology to stuff so many focus points on the sensor.

Sorry, but you either misheard, or more likely, the Canon rep was talking BS and doesn't understand such things, either.  An f/8 sensor has a narrower baseline than an f/5.6 sensor, so it actually takes up less space on the sensor.  Doesn't mean they could fit them in, but that's reality - the narrower the aperture, the more tightly spaced the lines. 

To see what I mean, compare an f/2.8 sensor with an f/5.6 sensor - see the diagram below, look how far apart the f/2.8 lines are compared to the f/5.6 lines.

Well sensors aren't just about their sensitivity, but also the type of sensors, points, cross type, diagonal and so on. Apparently they couldn't fit it with this kind of configuration to keep the focusing system as good as the new one.
If an f/8 sensor was always smaller, don't you think they could just put all f/8 sensors accross the whole frame? It would have been awesome, but probably they don't work as well as f/2.8 or f/5.6 sensors.

@briansquibb: wow so you take pictures to birds at 1200...using a flash?
I totally understand taking pictures at birds with 1200...but really quite difficult if handheld...but I don't get the use of a flash for wildlife at 1200mm.

So you prefer taking pictures at high ISO up to 1600 with the 1D4 instead of using the 1Ds that you say you use only up to 400ISO ??

I don't talk rubbish, tell me where I misquoted you, I can't read your mind I just read what you write.
What is that you don't like about the graphs beside denoting how the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3?

To honest Gabriele I dont care at for what you say.
I dont care if you think the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3
I dont care that you dont know how to take flash at 1200mm

You know nothing about me, my kit, my experience or the types of photos I take

Just back off please

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #454 on: March 15, 2012, 06:23:19 PM »

To honest Gabriele I dont care at for what you say.
I dont care if you think the 5D2 is better than the 1Ds3
I dont care that you dont know how to take flash at 1200mm

You know nothing about me, my kit, my experience or the types of photos I take

Just back off please

Think as you wish, I was relying on numeric data and graphs to be objective.
I don't care either, you can use whatever you want, have fun, just next time don't believe in people suggesting you a crop camera like a 7D over a 5D2 for best IQ.
If I don't know what kind of pictures you take is because you didn't want to tell before nor to answer my questions.

Bye, have fun and please stop clicking on smite at each of my post. if that is you as I suspect.
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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #455 on: March 15, 2012, 06:48:56 PM »

If I don't know what kind of pictures you take is because you didn't want to tell before nor to answer my questions.

That just proves you dont read my posts correctly

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #456 on: March 15, 2012, 07:34:14 PM »
If I don't know what kind of pictures you take is because you didn't want to tell before nor to answer my questions.





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@briansquibb: wow so you take pictures to birds at 1200...using a flash?
I totally understand taking pictures at birds with 1200...but really quite difficult if handheld...but I don't get the use of a flash for wildlife at 1200mm.


Gabriele told me what I took then complained I didn't tell him. I suppose you didn't read it either >:( >:(

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #456 on: March 15, 2012, 07:34:14 PM »


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« Reply #458 on: March 16, 2012, 02:24:13 AM »
The D800 looks way better there, but it doesn't seem fair that they seem to have shot the D800 from much closer in. Maybe if they had shot the D800 from farther out it would have had bad moire too?



you do thats why i have a 550d and a 7D, because im a Nikon troll

Your post reads as if you are unhappy with Canon and you would like to be with Nikon - so that would not be unreasonable.

Im because i was expecting a bit more from the 5d, especially if im using a 7d, it would be a small improvement.

oo yes i forgot, it seems that the moire is badass on the 5d compared to the D800 in video, well it seems that the best card the Canon had is not that good anymore:

Moire test of 5dMarkus the 3rd. vs the D800:

D800vs5Dmark2_moire/ISO.mov

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #459 on: March 16, 2012, 03:57:18 AM »
As a professional, $500-$700 is a huge price difference----for whom, I don't know. Maybe for professionals who actually aren't professionals. By that I mean talented or not talented photographers who don't pay their rent with their camera work. Fact is, if you are a professional, the price difference is negligible. I'm a full time pro. I'm far from rich. I'm reasonably talented, but not that great. And the last thing I care about as part of my business is the price of a single capture device. If you can't shoot professional studio work with a 5DII, you should look for a new line of work. Now we have the 5D3 with lots of nice improvements. Done. End of story. When you complain about a 4-year, $700 price swing, you are actually making a statement about yourself. The statement is that you are a penny pinching hobbyist who likes to spend inordinate amounts of time on blogs to complain about the minutia of gadget specs. If you're not a professional, that's fine, maybe a 7D or 60D would be a better choice for you. Or just switch to Nikon. Doesn't sound like you have much invested in Canon, anyway. I'd love to see a survey of posters on this thread who even qualify for CPS.

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #460 on: March 16, 2012, 04:02:00 AM »
I'd love to see a survey of posters on this thread who even qualify for CPS.

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Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« Reply #461 on: March 16, 2012, 12:39:29 PM »
FYI Amazon have reduced the price of the D800 from 2399 to 2099.....Canon will have to strike back dont' you think?


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« Reply #462 on: March 16, 2012, 12:53:59 PM »
FYI Amazon have reduced the price of the D800 from 2399 to 2099.....Canon will have to strike back dont' you think?

I just checked Amazon.com where what I can see is: $2,999.00 instead of $2,999.95...wow nearly 1 dollar discount, are they crazy? They will become poor this way lol!
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« Reply #463 on: March 16, 2012, 01:16:48 PM »
Dude there's life outside the USA....this is Amazon.co.uk - sorry I should have pointed that out...2399 downt to 2099 Sterling...! the MKIII is what 2999.....(Sterling)

Turns out to have been an error on Amazon's part, they have corrected the price back to 2399Sterling, those that ordered it for 2099, got a nice 300Sterling discount.....!!
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« Reply #464 on: March 16, 2012, 01:56:43 PM »
I'd love to see a survey of posters on this thread who even qualify for CPS.

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