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Re: The Canon High End [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2010, 03:41:44 PM »
Can't see them reducing the resolution from the 1D Mk4, it's just not Canon's style;  The D4 will almost certainly be 18MP+.  I'm guessing there will either be a 30MP+ 1Ds Mk4 in 2011 and a 20MP+ 1D Mk5 in 2012 (Olympics year), or the rumours of an end to the 1D-1Ds divide are true and they will be a 1D mk5 in the 25-30MP in 2011. 

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Re: The Canon High End [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2010, 09:29:49 PM »
5D Mark III

The same person also touched on the 5D Mark III saying it would be slightly higher megapixel than the current 21mp, and offer an AF system in line with the 7D.

Excellent. Lets hope the "slight" increase means 22.1MP (to allow 3x3 binning for videos).

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2010, 06:27:01 AM »
Would the 5D3 be to high end to add a swivel screen to?

Swivel screens don't work well if you want the camera to be rugged and weather-proof. So it is not likely that swivel screens will be used on any high end camera meant for professional outdoor use.

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 07:14:08 AM »
15 MP FF pro body sounds very very good. But too late. My Nikon D3x arrives before Christmas...

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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2010, 11:28:39 AM »
This makes sense to me. It's about convergence for the 1 series. No need to have two cameras when 1 is good enough. I'd guess that the 15 mpx is the 1.3 or maybe even 1.6 crop. the full sensor will be proportionately bigger no doubt.

The 1DIV always felt like a fix to the crippled 1D3 that was rushed out to compete with the D3, without the changes Canon would have added if it had planned better.

I for one am looking forward to the 5D3. That will be my gravy. 24 mpx, 7D AF qualities, swivel screen (I bet), weather sealed, improved DR, better high iso.

As I've been saying all along, the next high-end camera from Canon will be the 1DV.

It's highly unlikely that it will be 15mp, though. Expect 24-30mp full-frame.

Don't forget that Nikon's D4 is due next year and also that Nikon executives have publicly stated that Nikon will not be focused just on ISO anymore.
Translation - the D4 will most likely have 20+ megapixels.

Canon, the king of the megapixel, will not have a lower resolution competitor to the D4.
That's the one thing that can be claimed with absolute certainty about the 1DV.

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Re: The Canon High End [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2010, 12:16:15 PM »

I for one am looking forward to the 5D3. That will be my gravy. 24 mpx, 7D AF qualities, swivel screen (I bet), weather sealed, improved DR, better high iso.


I got approval from the boss (wife) a few months ago to buy a 5D2, but I'm holding out for the 5D3.  I really hope it shows up early 2011.

I would prefer no swivel screen, but it will probably have one.  There is a non-trivial chunk of target market share that shoots video at a more serious than casual, but less serious than pro, level.  These are people that would have a good case for a swivel screen, but maybe can't justify an off camera monitor yet.

I've only bought a camera with a swivel screen once ( PowerShot G3 ), and besides flipping it over for storage, I think I only used it once or twice.  There is the argument for macro/above the crowd/ground level shots.  But except for high shots, where it obviously doesn't work, I'd prefer to use an angle finder c.  But hey, that's just my opinion, and I'm not even in the expected target audience for this class of camera; so I wouldn't expect anyone to care what I think.

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2010, 04:38:21 PM »
We don't, as a rule, expect Canon to care about what we think. We wish they did though.

I find myself shooting at low angles to the ground often enough that a swivel screen would help me a great deal. Although in practice I could see using it only 1-5% of the time. So definitely not a deal breaker or maker for me.


I for one am looking forward to the 5D3. That will be my gravy. 24 mpx, 7D AF qualities, swivel screen (I bet), weather sealed, improved DR, better high iso.


I got approval from the boss (wife) a few months ago to buy a 5D2, but I'm holding out for the 5D3.  I really hope it shows up early 2011.

I would prefer no swivel screen, but it will probably have one.  There is a non-trivial chunk of target market share that shoots video at a more serious than casual, but less serious than pro, level.  These are people that would have a good case for a swivel screen, but maybe can't justify an off camera monitor yet.

I've only bought a camera with a swivel screen once ( PowerShot G3 ), and besides flipping it over for storage, I think I only used it once or twice.  There is the argument for macro/above the crowd/ground level shots.  But except for high shots, where it obviously doesn't work, I'd prefer to use an angle finder c.  But hey, that's just my opinion, and I'm not even in the expected target audience for this class of camera; so I wouldn't expect anyone to care what I think.

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2010, 04:38:21 PM »

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Re: The Canon High End [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2010, 07:16:43 PM »
I can't see any cons to having a swivel screen in a 5DIII, other than the perception that it would break easily. It would be very handy both for video, tripod use, low or high shots, or even discreet shooting.

I'm hoping for a 5DIII that will make my decision easy: a killer camera with 7D AF, same resolution as 5DII, better high ISO performance, usable contrast detect AF for video, rack focus for video, 1:1 pixel for 1080p video (crop) and/or pixel binning. Basically better everything :) in the same small package.

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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2010, 09:50:32 PM »
I can't see any cons to having a swivel screen in a 5DIII, other than the perception that it would break easily. It would be very handy both for video, tripod use, low or high shots, or even discreet shooting.

I'm hoping for a 5DIII that will make my decision easy: a killer camera with 7D AF, same resolution as 5DII, better high ISO performance, usable contrast detect AF for video, rack focus for video, 1:1 pixel for 1080p video (crop) and/or pixel binning. Basically better everything :) in the same small package.

Although I believe it might be handy, certainly the reliability will be lower, and it might be more susceptible to moisture intrusion.  There is always a trade off.

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« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2010, 06:40:36 PM »
5D Mark III

The same person also touched on the 5D Mark III saying it would be slightly higher megapixel than the current 21mp, and offer an AF system in line with the 7D.

Excellent. Lets hope the "slight" increase means 22.1MP (to allow 3x3 binning for videos).
That would be excellent indeed, but will the existing (or replacement) DIGIC IV / V be powerful enough for it?  And even if so, how will that affect battery life?  Just some questions that we may or may not see answered if it does.

On my wish list is keeping 24/30 fps (eh, what amateur really needs 29.97 Hz anyway) modes.  I think those extend the number of codecs needed to be stores in the camera's firmware, but danged if 30Hz isn't a better mode than 60 Hz for runtimes.

About the actual rumor itself...it would suggest Canon is quietly doing the opposite of what Nikon called finding a better balance between ISO and picture size.  15 megapixels is a nice size - sometimes I'd like more but it does outresolve most of my lenses though.  You get a few more pictures than with a larger MP count.  It's certainly plausible, though I'm not terribly excited about it.  Just Canon taking care of business really!

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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2010, 02:34:41 PM »
If Canon would really go that way, 15Mpix full-frame 1DIV replacement, I'm sure it would sell like crazy among wedding photographers (including myself). I'd in fact only prefer them doing it in a more compact camera.

But it's not really Canon's marketing path to go for lower Mpix. Nevertheless, I think it would be a smart move, as Canon has to catch up with Nikon. Nikon only lags behind in the 5DII camera class and will act with a D800 soon. For the rest, they wait until Canon acts and Canon better work hard to match that D3S high ISO performance, which is way beyond anything in Canon's line-up.

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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2010, 07:34:08 PM »
I can't see any cons to having a swivel screen in a 5DIII, other than the perception that it would break easily. It would be very handy both for video, tripod use, low or high shots, or even discreet shooting.

I'm hoping for a 5DIII that will make my decision easy: a killer camera with 7D AF, same resolution as 5DII, better high ISO performance, usable contrast detect AF for video, rack focus for video, 1:1 pixel for 1080p video (crop) and/or pixel binning. Basically better everything :) in the same small package.

I'm sure the 5DIII will not have all the features you want when it gets released and that you'll then hang out for the 5DIV to be the ultimate camera.

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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2010, 07:40:21 PM »

I for one am looking forward to the 5D3. That will be my gravy. 24 mpx, 7D AF qualities, swivel screen (I bet), weather sealed, improved DR, better high iso.


I got approval from the boss (wife) a few months ago to buy a 5D2, but I'm holding out for the 5D3.  I really hope it shows up early 2011.

I would prefer no swivel screen, but it will probably have one.  There is a non-trivial chunk of target market share that shoots video at a more serious than casual, but less serious than pro, level.  These are people that would have a good case for a swivel screen, but maybe can't justify an off camera monitor yet.

If you're serious about video for "casual use", the 5DII and the 5DIII are not for you. Nor is any video DSLR - or even the smaller video shooting stills cameras. Why?

All of them require a tripod mounted camera to not shoot "wobble cam." The IS technology used in the lenses/sensor mounts is fine for stills photography but it is really bad for video.

To not shoot crappy video with a 5DII, you have to take a professional approach.

So if you want to shoot video and don't want to take a professional approach, get a video camera that costs around the same (or a bit more?) than the 5D series cameras.

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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2010, 07:40:21 PM »

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A 5Dll for Christmas 2010 rather than a 5Dlll for Christmas 2011 ??
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CR reported a while back that one good source said that there would be some big SLR announcements in April, 2011.  Now we have trusted sources saying that ALL SLR announcements will be in the second half of 2011 !!

Is this new later timeline for the 5Dlll a "Canon plot" to help Canon dealers sell all their 5Dll inventories this Christmas?...because so many of us waiting for the 5Dlll in April or May can't wait 7-12 months... so we buy the 5Dll now....when in fact the 5Dlll is going to be released in April !!

Aggghhh !  I'm driving myself cracy waiting desperately for the 5Dlll  !  Can anybody help me ?
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2010, 08:24:20 PM »

I for one am looking forward to the 5D3. That will be my gravy. 24 mpx, 7D AF qualities, swivel screen (I bet), weather sealed, improved DR, better high iso.


I got approval from the boss (wife) a few months ago to buy a 5D2, but I'm holding out for the 5D3.  I really hope it shows up early 2011.

I would prefer no swivel screen, but it will probably have one.  There is a non-trivial chunk of target market share that shoots video at a more serious than casual, but less serious than pro, level.  These are people that would have a good case for a swivel screen, but maybe can't justify an off camera monitor yet.

If you're serious about video for "casual use", the 5DII and the 5DIII are not for you. Nor is any video DSLR - or even the smaller video shooting stills cameras. Why?

All of them require a tripod mounted camera to not shoot "wobble cam." The IS technology used in the lenses/sensor mounts is fine for stills photography but it is really bad for video.

To not shoot crappy video with a 5DII, you have to take a professional approach.

So if you want to shoot video and don't want to take a professional approach, get a video camera that costs around the same (or a bit more?) than the 5D series cameras.

And even buying an expensive video camera may not help. I purchased a Panasonic TM700k video camera (about $700) last summer and am absolutely amazed at how difficult shooting wobble-free video is, even on a tripod.

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2010, 08:24:20 PM »