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Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« on: March 04, 2012, 10:54:30 AM »
I've known for the past year that I wanted to move to a full frame camera from my 7D so I've been slowly selling off my crop lenses and replacing them with standard lenses. So far in my kit, I have the 24-70mm 2.8 L and the 70-200mm F4 IS L...The only crop lens I still have is my trusty 17-55mm 2.8 and plan on selling that along with my 7D once my new 5D Mk3 arrives. I'm generally a landscape, street and occasional portrait shooter. When I look through my pics, most are taken at the wide end of my 17-55 and 24-70...most in the 17-35mm range. My 70-200 is rarely used but I keep it around for those times when I do need some extra reach...

One thing I want to do is add some primes for a lighter setup, say for street and night work. At first, my thinking was picking up the 16-35mm 2.8 and maybe the 50mm 1.2 or 1.4. But I'm wondering if I should just skip the 16-35mm altogether and maybe pick two primes instead. Maybe the new 24mm 2.8 IS when it becomes available along with either a 35mm, or 50mm or 85mm...Pretty sure I'm going with a 24mm to start...what I'm not sure of is either getting the 35 or 50mm but I'm leaning towards the 50mm...

Anyone have any thoughts or recommendations?

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Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« on: March 04, 2012, 10:54:30 AM »

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 11:01:38 AM »
You have nice coverage already with the 24-70 and 70-200. As you prefer the wide angles the most, why not get a superwide zoom lens? Alternatively, you may want to get a tilt-shift lens to play around with (the 24mm or something).

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM would be my primary recommendation. It excels in street and landscape photography, and your other lenses pretty much sort out the rest of your needs. You'll also find that you will start using the 70-200 again on your full-frame camera because the framing suddenly becomes very useful for medium-tight and tight portraits (and your 24-70 will only do full-body to medium portraits).
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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2012, 11:37:32 AM »
On the other hand though 17mm on a crop camera equals 28mm on FF so you might find that you have enough wide angle to be going on with.  That said the three usual lenses for the kit bag are wide angle, standard zoom, and telephoto, so a wide angle would be a normal reccomend.  Take a look at the 17 - 40mm F/4 L although it has its flaws it's a lot cheaper than the 16 - 35mm f/2.8 L II and the extra stop isn't that useful most of the time.

After the 'holy trinity' you might want to add a fast prime, the 50mm f/1.8 or the rather better f/1.4 perhaps, or maybe the 100mm macro if that interests you.

I'm not sure why you'd be interested in the 24mm IS prime when you have a 24 - 70mm f/2.8 already?  I take it you do have a stable tripod & remote release?

Canons FF cameras do not come with any form of flash, so you really should consider one even if it's a third party version.

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 11:42:08 AM »
Canon wide L primes are expensive, so you might be better served with the 16-35mm.  If you go the prime route in the wide end, then that would include the 14, 17, 20, 24 and 35.  Of those, the 14, 17 cost much more than the 16-35, the 24L is a little bit less expensive and the 35L is a little less expensive than the 24L.  The 16-35 is more of a FF version of the APS-C 10-22, only it's faster (constant f/2.8) and more expensive.  If you didn't need the 10-22 range with your 7D, then you might not need the 16-35 once you move FF.

F/1.2 and f/1.4 works well in low light especially if you want shallow DOF and maximum blur.  I'd suggest waiting to get the FF camera and then seeing what focal lengths you use the most.  I love the 35L on the APS-C, and I'm not sure how that translates to FF.  You can check to see what focal lengths you typically use for this application and then divide by 1.6.  Canon's 50mm primes are weaker.  The 85 f/1.8 is supposed to an excellent value, although I've never used it personally.

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2012, 11:04:48 PM »
Look at the focal lengths you use now and multiply by 1.6 to get the equivalent FF focal length you will need.  If you use 24mm, for example, you will be using 38.4mm on your FF to get the same image at the same distance.

I'd not buy ultra wide lenses until you try the ones you have first.  24mm is pretty wide on FF.  You may want longer lenses though, if you now use 200mm, you will have to have a 300mm lens to get the about same fov.  The 100-400mm L is a good choice for a long telephoto on FF.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2012, 05:31:50 PM »
The 50L is really a nice lens....when it hits focus @1.2.   I use mine on a 50D right now (5d3 on order).  I know it's focal length is covered  by your other lenses (but f1.2 is in a different world vs f2.8 ), but the 50L and 35L are nice wide open.  The 35L is rumoured to be replace by a mark 2 version.  It would be nice if the 5d3 can help the 50L little.  I also have the 50/1.4 and the 50L has better bokeh than the 1.4 version. 
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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 06:42:06 PM »
85 f/1.8
100 f/2
135 f/2

Are all ideal street primes

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2012, 06:42:06 PM »

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2012, 06:44:33 PM »
I highly recomend trying out the Sigma 85mm f1.4 its one of my favourite lenses on FF
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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2012, 09:04:28 PM »
Since you said you like wide, here's a funny little thing that I think most full-frame users ignore: the Tokina 11-16mm, which is nominally an EF-S lens, can be used as a f2.8 16mm prime on full frame, and costs between $450 and $650 street.  If you look at the competition, there's nothing out there even close in IQ at that price.  It fits on just fine and clears the mirror without issue.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 09:29:18 PM »
Since you said you like wide, here's a funny little thing that I think most full-frame users ignore: the Tokina 11-16mm, which is nominally an EF-S lens, can be used as a f2.8 16mm prime on full frame, and costs between $450 and $650 street.  If you look at the competition, there's nothing out there even close in IQ at that price.  It fits on just fine and clears the mirror without issue.

really? does it still work at 11 too?
i'm really interested to see pics at different lengths taken on a 5D2
so the lens actually has an EF mount bayonet then? because normal canon EF-S lenses wont even lock into the EF mount
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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2012, 09:48:30 PM »
Since you said you like wide, here's a funny little thing that I think most full-frame users ignore: the Tokina 11-16mm, which is nominally an EF-S lens, can be used as a f2.8 16mm prime on full frame, and costs between $450 and $650 street.  If you look at the competition, there's nothing out there even close in IQ at that price.  It fits on just fine and clears the mirror without issue.

really? does it still work at 11 too?
i'm really interested to see pics at different lengths taken on a 5D2
so the lens actually has an EF mount bayonet then? because normal canon EF-S lenses wont even lock into the EF mount

Yes, it's a standard mount and because it's a Tokina it locks just fine.  AF works fine too.  It only works without vignetting at 16mm.  At 11mm there is significant vignetting.   All considered, it's an incredible deal for what it is - you're basically only competing with the Canon 14mm at that point which is $1500.   

Here are 2 images stolen from EOSHD:

16mm on 5dmkii


at 11mm:

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 11:00:10 AM »
Since you said you like wide, here's a funny little thing that I think most full-frame users ignore: the Tokina 11-16mm, which is nominally an EF-S lens, can be used as a f2.8 16mm prime on full frame, and costs between $450 and $650 street.  If you look at the competition, there's nothing out there even close in IQ at that price.  It fits on just fine and clears the mirror without issue.

really? does it still work at 11 too?
i'm really interested to see pics at different lengths taken on a 5D2
so the lens actually has an EF mount bayonet then? because normal canon EF-S lenses wont even lock into the EF mount

Yes, it's a standard mount and because it's a Tokina it locks just fine.  AF works fine too.  It only works without vignetting at 16mm.  At 11mm there is significant vignetting.   All considered, it's an incredible deal for what it is - you're basically only competing with the Canon 14mm at that point which is $1500.   

Here are 2 images stolen from EOSHD:

16mm on 5dmkii


at 11mm:


Maybe its just me, but these don't look the way I would expect a 16 and 11 millimeter lens to look on a full frame.  They look more like a 24 at the widest.

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 12:06:18 PM »
I dunno, these aren't my images.  Admittedly EOSHD is not a reliable source for un-biased info.  BUT I have this lens and assure you that it works fine at 16mm on a full frame and has IQ that will compete with any Canon L lens.  I will post a photo of my own when I get a chance. 

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Re: Lens Recommendations - Crop (7D) to Full Frame (5dMk3)?
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 01:57:08 PM »
I have and enjoy the Tokina 11-16 (it is EF, not EF-S mount, BTW) and am happy with it in a cost/benefit way.  Stopped a bit it's sharp enough, soft in the corners wide open.  I've used it for 'general' photography and wide field time lapse astrophotography on a 40D.  I recommend it for a crop camera but YMMV on a FF.  If yer gonna plunk down 3500 for a camera, might as well completely destroy the wallet with some pricey glass!  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 11:43:44 PM »
that might be a really sweet ultra wide option for someone that only has an APS-H sensor, as you would most likely lose most of that vignette and get effective 14-20mm, not too shaby
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