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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2012, 05:47:18 PM »
Being a big fan of Ken Rockwell...

Right there. That's where you lost me...   ::)
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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2012, 05:47:18 PM »

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2012, 05:54:49 PM »

Being a big fan of Ken Rockwell and his website of "many things", I do agree with his perspective that camera bodies in general become obsolete the day they are released, much akin to driving a new car off the lot. Therefore, it is critical that enough people buy this new camera such that the support is maintained and resale value and demand stays high.

I also agree with his recommendation of pre-ordering ASAP, as there tends to be huge waiting lists, and potential fluctuations in prices down the road (boy.. I feel almost like I'm playing the stock market now!). I should note that the Amazon pre-orders for D800 dried up in pretty much a day.. not sure on the Mark III but most of the brick-and-mortar stores in Toronto have pre-orders available as of today and on their websites


there is one reason ken "beggar" rockwell is saying that... so that he makes money from the noobs who visit his website and go to amazon etc. from his links.

i would never preorder a 3000$ camera without reading some proper reviews about it or look at it first hand in a store.

i don´t need to be the first to have it.. i need to make a informed decision.

and i really would not mention ken rockwell when people shall take you serious!!
i don´t know a photographer with a worse reputation on the net.....
Ken will sell is soul and direct any sales via his website. His jabber is so ovbious and yet comically entertaining these days. The guys has no credibility and integrity. Buy the way have you noticed he buys every camera and lense that comes on the market?  ::)

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2012, 06:30:56 PM »
Quite a number of years ago, when I had been in the world of DSLRs for a while and had the 350D, a friend of mine (who had just purchased an entry level Nikon DSLR) said I should've got a Nikon instead of a Canon. My friend's reasoning was as follows "because there is a talented, independent person on the internet who says Nikon cameras are superior, and they are so good - and no one pays him to say or write that, so why would he?  His name is Ken Rockwell".  My friend also gave me the link to Ken Rockwell's website.

I looked at Ken's website and had the BEST laugh I had had for a long time.  :)   :D   ;D  A lot of his pages share absolutely information of no value, or even worse "rubbish". (I had used my DSLR enough to know that a lot of what Ken said was wasted webspace). Many of my photos, even with the years of using Fuji digital P&S were far superior to any of the 'best photos' Ken has shared.  Ken contradicts himself (over the years) in so many different ways:
"You need primes!"  vs  "You need superzooms!"  ???
"Brand matters" vs "Any brand is good"  ::)
"More megapixels are better"  vs  "You only need about 3 megapixels really"  :P

It IS so funny seeing him 'beg' for his children's education fund, family running expenses. Oh dear... if only he knew that I would never give him a cent, as I give to the REAL needy in the world (eg folks in refugee camps, or those in developing countries affected by natural disastors).

Ken can be the digital photography comic relief (just as this thread shows) when things get 'too' serious!!!     ;D

Ok... back to photography, and the 'real deal' - and I'm looking forward to reading more about the 5DmkIII... and seeing more photos taken from it soon!

Cheers.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 08:05:40 PM »
It IS so funny seeing him 'beg' for his children's education fund, family running expenses. Oh dear... if only he knew that I would never give him a cent, as I give to the REAL needy in the world (eg folks in refugee camps, or those in developing countries affected by natural disastors).


He sure seems to have found a good way to pull in the bucks. His house is slightly large hah and he lives in a wayyy pricey, upscale coastal town in SoCal.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 09:46:56 PM »
There were a total of 12 5D Mk II' s and 6 5D's listed on the Washington DC craigslist TODAY. Apparently, there are a lot of people upgrading...

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/search/pho?query=5d&srchType=A&minAsk=&maxAsk=
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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 10:27:41 PM »
Just my opinion, but all this banter about which camera is better, is the price point justified, et cetera, is all baseless until we see side by side comparisons of the photographs.  After all, the camera is a means to an end, right?  The 5D Mark III has all the right ingredients to make me think it's going to be a beast at producing results.  The autofocus helps you get a perfectly focused print, the 100% coverage helps you properly compose, and the three years of technological advances applied to roughly the same megapixels should really enhance the quality of the image output. 

The whole "jumping ship" thing gets thrown around every time a new camera comes out, including Rebels.  Seriously.  Will there be some people who will sell all their Canon gear and buy Nikon stuff, requiring them to relearn controls and muscle memory and basically flush thousands of dollars?  Sure, but they'll be few and far between and dopes.  Will there be Nikon users who jump ship if the Mark III outperforms the D800 by two stops in low light image quality (for most photographers, a COLOSSAL advantage)?  Sure, but they'll be few and far between and also dopes. 

Look, if the 5D Mark III is too much for what you're getting in your opinion (i.e. the enhancements don't really do a lot for your finished product), take a look at the Mark II.  The results from its sensor are absolutely awesome and at $2,100, it's a steal. 
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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2012, 02:30:43 PM »
There were a total of 12 5D Mk II' s and 6 5D's listed on the Washington DC craigslist TODAY. Apparently, there are a lot of people upgrading...

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/search/pho?query=5d&srchType=A&minAsk=&maxAsk=
Two weeks ago I offered 1800 to a guy on Toronto Craigslist. He send me insulting e-mails back. Today the prices range between 1500-1700 and you get 3 to 4 posted daily.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2012, 03:20:28 PM »
My concern with the 5D3 is not really the aboslute improvement compared to my 5D2 or how good it is. Most things except resolutions seems better than 5D2. However I compare it to the competition in feature, IQ and price where IQ is most important.
So what does it have over the D800.
6 FPS vs 5 FPS, probably with slightly better IQ at high ISO and slightly worse IQ at low ISO. This since D800 shoot 5 FPS in 1.2 crop mode.  D800 does 6 FPS with grip and further decreased IQ but I can live with that.
5D3 has multi exposure that D800 doesnt have.
D800 has higher low ISO Dynamic Range.
Indications so far says tha D800 has lower high ISO noise. This is still preliminary though and may still show out to be incorrect.
D800 has higher resolution.
Perhaps someone care about video. I don't and have no idea which is better.

Basically, as it seems right now, D800 has better IQ over the whole ISO range and all 5D3 has is 1 additional FPS that you can get from D800 also with grip and decreased IQ.
I dont get it. As far as we know right now the D800 is the better and more all arround camera. That to a lower price.


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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2012, 03:30:38 PM »
My concern with the 5D3 is not really the aboslute improvement compared to my 5D2 or how good it is. Most things except resolutions seems better than 5D2. However I compare it to the competition in feature, IQ and price where IQ is most important.
So what does it have over the D800.
6 FPS vs 5 FPS, probably with slightly better IQ at high ISO and slightly worse IQ at low ISO. This since D800 shoot 5 FPS in 1.2 crop mode.  D800 does 6 FPS with grip and further decreased IQ but I can live with that.
5D3 has multi exposure that D800 doesnt have.
D800 has higher low ISO Dynamic Range.
Indications so far says tha D800 has lower high ISO noise. This is still preliminary though and may still show out to be incorrect.
D800 has higher resolution.
Perhaps someone care about video. I don't and have no idea which is better.

Basically, as it seems right now, D800 has better IQ over the whole ISO range and all 5D3 has is 1 additional FPS that you can get from D800 also with grip and decreased IQ.
I dont get it. As far as we know right now the D800 is the better and more all arround camera. That to a lower price.

Some early RAW tests and examinations are hinting at as much as 3 stops more usable DR for the D800. I really expected better from Canon if they were going to stick with 22MP and raise the praise.

At high ISO it is hard to say but it seems like the 5D3 might not do any better than the D800, if even.

Hopefully it won't bare out but.... darn the early numbers are looking to be not really what we hoped.

It also may end up demonstrating that the more MP means worse IQ claims by many are not a given.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III: Some perspectives/concerns
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2012, 03:30:38 PM »