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Re: What's Next? A General Breakdown
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2012, 05:12:02 PM »
[ I have heard between 10-13 lenses will be announced in 2012 from Canon. No word if that includes any lenses for the predicted mirrorless camera

Anyone want to have a guess? Thread posts 3 such lenses...

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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2012, 05:53:55 PM »
I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

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Re: What's Next? A General Breakdown
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2012, 06:09:05 PM »
Is it possible the MP monster that keeps getting mention might be the impalpable EOS 3D?

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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2012, 06:34:16 PM »
I’m told this will also arrive sometime in 2012. It will be a replacement for both the 100-400 and 400 f/5.6L. If it performs like the current 400 f/5.6 prime does at 400mm, then we’ll have a winner

a winner but for what price?   ::)

im really interested in that lens.. but given the "inflation" on lens prices i fear it will be out of my reach.

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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2012, 07:39:27 PM »
Can someone explain to me the point of a V-DSLR (the 4K concept camera with the "C" badge).... What is the point of the mirror, prism and optical viewfinder? Why would a "Video Specific" camera need that?  Why not just call it an EOS EF mount Video Camera with a FF (or Super 35) Sensor?

Am I missing something? Couldn't they then make it a better form for it's intended purpose.
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Re: What's Next? A General Breakdown
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2012, 07:41:05 PM »
I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

What are you chatting about? Not true 1080 HD? Since when...?

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2012, 07:49:12 PM »
haha well everything's up in the air it seems. . .. . it is 2012, after all!!!

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Re: What's Next? A General Breakdown
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2012, 08:58:40 PM »
I wonder if the EF 100-400 IS MkII will another 'push-me, pull-you" design? I've never used this model(the original) or even held one, so I don't know how I'd like it in the field trying to quickly zoom on a moving object.
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2012, 09:00:54 PM »
I wonder if the EF 100-400 IS MkII will another 'push-me, pull-you" design? I've never used this model(the original) or even held one, so I don't know how I'd like it in the field trying to quickly zoom on a moving object.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2012, 09:02:46 PM »
Just add in at least once thing with the new 100-400mm design and I'll be a happy camper:

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Re: What's Next? A General Breakdown
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2012, 10:06:53 PM »
40mm pancake. Please let it be EF.
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I will buy this lens immediately if it is EF.  I agree that EF-S doesn't make much sense, but neither does a $800 28mm f/2.8 prime so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it!

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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2012, 11:08:11 PM »
I don't understand the logic behind canon releasing the c300 and then a 4k cinema dslr... I am not a videographer so know very little about it. However, I do know the c300 is NOT 4k. If canon releases a 4k dslr, would it theoretically produce a better image than the c300 but with fewer cinema controls and options?

I just don't understand.

A pleasing images is not completely reliant on resolution. Take the Arri Alexa for example. It's only 2K, but is considered by many as the best overall picture for video; even when compared to the 4K Reds. The Codec plays are huge role in the IQ. Even though it's a good camera, the C-300 is very overpriced and under spec'd compared to Sony's similar offerings. No camera that is 4:2:2 8 bit should cost 16K. For that price it needs to be 10 bit to justify it.

With that said, early reports on the 5D3 are pretty disappointing for video. Many are seeing that it's still NOT true HD, but STILL an up-res'd 720p, which is crushingly sad considering there are $900 cameras with true 1080p HD.

But it's still a Pre-Production model, so hopefully Canon will do the right thing on the final release and have TRUE 1080p that the customers deserve. I'm thinking that the upcoming 4K VDSLR will have to be a home run for video, because the C-300 was not and it's starting to look like the 5D3 has been deliberately crippled, at least on the Pre-Production models.

But for the 5D3, I guess we will have to wait for the retail model and get some real tests for the video. I'm holding my breath till then. If it's not up-res'd 720p, I would gladly buy one and also the 4K VDSLR when that comes out. If not, I'm going to wait for the 4K camera.

What are you chatting about? Not true 1080 HD? Since when...?

All the current Canon's 5D2, 7D, etc... do NOT have true 1080p video. It's more like a 720p that is scaled up to 1080p. That is why the current Canons look soft when compared to video cameras with true 1080p like the C-300, Sony FS-100, Panasonic GH2 (which only costs $900).

That's one of the biggest complaints about the current Canon video and what we hoped Canon was going to fix. But it looks like from early shots, that the video is still scaled up 720p and pretty soft but at least without the moire and aliasing. Canon can easily do real 1080p, but they're just trying to protect their higher end cameras like the C-300 and probably the forthcoming 4K VDSLR

Now if the 4K Video DSLR does not have true 1080p, that would be really, really lame.

But like I said, this is only seeing test shots from the production 5D3. Hopefully the final market version will be real 1080p and nice and crispy like what everyone wants. On a cameras as expensive as the 5D3, it SHOULD have real 1080p.

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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2012, 11:08:38 PM »
Not sure I'd pick up the 40 pancake, although it intrigues me. It's just too close to my 50 1.8 II, which is also very small and light, plus a 1.8 II, although not a true pancake. I really do feel the "future" of all this is smaller parts. The big clunky L monsters will seem like dinosaurs not too far off.

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2012, 02:25:24 AM »
I fail to see what could be improved on the 35/1.4? It is my absolute favorite lens on crop and FF. But I am obviously missing something since there is a MKII in the pipeline......

For one the current 35/1.4 doesn't have any weatherproofing. I'm sure they'll add it as they did with 24/1.4 II.

I hope it is sealed like the 24/1.4L II released in 2008.  Then again, the 85mm f/1.2L II released in 2006 isn't weather sealed which is a real shame... could go either way.

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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 02:57:23 AM »
Not sure I'd pick up the 40 pancake, although it intrigues me. It's just too close to my 50 1.8 II, which is also very small and light, plus a 1.8 II, although not a true pancake. I really do feel the "future" of all this is smaller parts. The big clunky L monsters will seem like dinosaurs not too far off.

40mm is quite a bit shorter than 50mm though and many have an issue with the very low build quality of the 50 1.8 mk2.

Maybe not an ideal focal lenght for a general purpose lens but I'd guess most crop users don't buy primes for that reason, they have a zoom as there standard lens and a prime for low light/shallow DOF shooting which is normally people/objects anyway.

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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 02:57:23 AM »