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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2012, 10:12:33 PM »
I think there's been alot of smiting going on lately I seem to have jumped quite a few over the weekend
I didnt even post much because i spent most of it building my studio.

People shuldn't let gettind a smite or 20 bother them, I've said before if the worst thing in your life is getting smitted by some anonomous user on a web forum then you have a pretty great life so be thankfull for it and laugh off the smites.

Just give your opionions information and advice just dont get abusive and let your behaviour fall to troll level or be drawn into idiotic arguments with trolls as they will beat you everytime with experience

the 5D3 vs D800 has definately caused a stir anyway! :D
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2012, 10:12:33 PM »

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2012, 10:32:04 PM »
I wasn't implying that you banned him, rather he left because of the Karma system.

*EDIT* I just realized it was the "they must have deleted....." that made you think that. I used they as a gender neutral term and not they as in CR.

Your post was clear enough, I just mis-read it.  In any event, we did not delete him.

I wish we could only have positives, it just is not a option.  We can have a total, or positive and negative, or none.

The total would be the net, so if a person had 10+ and 11-, the net would be -1.  It would not stop abuse.  The ultimate decisions rests with Craig, He did a 10 day poll, but only a few responded.  I suspect (but do not know) that he feels the system has overall helped to keep things under control.

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2012, 11:04:46 PM »
We've been through this discussion several times on several threads.

This is a forum for people to entertain themselves, share information and share opinions. Many people on this forum may not remember what it was like before the current system was put into place. Like too many other sites, it was positively brutal, with a handful of bullies making drive-by comments that were not only insulting, but often had more than a little tinge of racism, sexism and name-calling, often using derogatory terms for persons with disabilities.

Since the current system has been in place, the number of these incidents has dropped significantly. Sure, there are still some jerks on the forum who take delight in denigrating other people's viewpoints. But, as internet forums go, it is one of the more civil ones out there.

I'm not saying that the Karma system is the sole reason, or even the main reason. But I don't think it is purely a coincidence. I believe the fact that everyone can see a participant's total score does encourage civility.

If some discomfort with the Karma system is the price we pay to keep the forum generally constructive, while allowing vigorous debate, it is well worth the price in my opinion.

As I've said in previous discussions, the Karma system is a bit like a public opinion poll. And, like any poll, it isn't valid with a small sample size. If your total applauds and smites aren't well over 100, I wouldn't worry the least about the numbers. I would say, though, that if after a year on the forum, you've collected 150 smites and 20 applauds, you might want to look over your posts.

There are no doubt a handful of people who are incapable of accepting other peoples' opinions and they probably go on smiting attacks every once and awhile. Unfortunately, a few participants on the forum have been victimized by some targeted, personal smiting attacks. That's wrong and my sympathy to those who have suffered these attacks. On the other hand, I think some of these victims know that they are just being targeted by an individual or two and take it in stride, recognizing that as attacks go, these are fairy innocuous.

Most of the participants on the forum use the Karma system constructively, as a passive way of signalling that a person's demeanor could use an adjustment.

I've never had any problem issuing a smite to someone who is rude to others, posts drive-by attacks or otherwise engages in trollish behavior. It is a handy way of saying I disapprove without engaging in a long, frustrating, fruitless dialogue with persons whose mothers never taught them any manners.
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2012, 11:07:35 PM »
I wish we could only have positives, it just is not a option.  We can have a total, or positive and negative, or none.

I personally don't give a rat's proverbial about smites/karma. What concerns me is the prospect that this system is stopping some/many people from truly speaking their minds. We want to delve as deep as possible into the topics raised, don't we? Then again, I'm looking at it from a photography enthusiast's point of view rather than from a business/SEO perspective.

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2012, 11:29:47 PM »
I wish we could only have positives, it just is not a option.  We can have a total, or positive and negative, or none.

I personally don't give a rat's proverbial about smites/karma. What concerns me is the prospect that this system is stopping some/many people from truly speaking their minds. We want to delve as deep as possible into the topics raised, don't we? Then again, I'm looking at it from a photography enthusiast's point of view rather than from a business/SEO perspective.

put it this way.
If you speak your mind but put forward a civil and decent post then sure you will probably get some smite from some purile people but there is no way to know who it is and it will only be  a few. however if you put the same argument forward with name calling and abusive language then ALOT more members will smite you. I am sure there are people that smite just becasue they disagree. so getting smites is just par for the course really.
Fear of being smited should not stop you stating a point of veiw in a civil manner more often than not you will get applauds than smites, I quite often applaud posts i dont agree with just because it was a well presented argument, and i'm sure others do too.
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2012, 02:16:36 AM »
As I've said in previous discussions, the Karma system is a bit like a public opinion poll.

But for a public opinion poll, it would be helpful if everybody would know about. That isn't the case, esp. newbies never heard about it and consequently don't applaud if someone helps them. Furthermore, there is no "take back the smite" button if you misunderstood a post, I'm sorry to say that happened to me both ways.

I cannot dispute that forum got more civilized with the karma system since I'm not around that long, but you don't know what you don't see: How many newer, potentially helpful people left because they felt unwelcome? You might argue that worrying about karma is juvenile and these people rightly left, but somehow other forums I participate in seem to work quite nicely without it because if someone flames or trolls, they get a accountable, verbal reaction instead of an anonymous click.

I didn't participate in the older karma poll, but +1 for dropping it. On the other hand, if my negative karma gets more than double of the positive I'm happy, too, because I'll write less forum posts (trying to be helpful, esp. presenting cheaper alternatives to "get the best gear" for people on a budget) and go out and shoot more :-p
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2012, 02:46:57 AM »
put it this way.
If you speak your mind but put forward a civil and decent post then sure you will probably get some smite from some purile people but there is no way to know who it is and it will only be  a few. however if you put the same argument forward with name calling and abusive language then ALOT more members will smite you. I am sure there are people that smite just because they disagree. so getting smites is just par for the course really.
Fear of being smited should not stop you stating a point of veiw in a civil manner more often than not you will get applauds than smites, I quite often applaud posts i dont agree with just because it was a well presented argument, and i'm sure others do too.

Wikid, I largely agree with your post above and with the way that you believe people should use the Karma system.

I repeat, smites don't bother me,personally, one little bit. However, I fear that in a not-so-insignificant amount of cases, it limits the extent of debate (even if people aren't aware of that on a conscious level). You get a feel for that with some of the restrained responses on hot topics.

I am not privy to business/operational information on this site. There need to be some checks in place, and the moderators can only do so much moderating. I can envisage that the "total karma" system would be less likely to limit (useful) debate when compared to the status quo.

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2012, 02:46:57 AM »

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2012, 03:38:49 AM »
I think there are two problems with the karma system in this forum:

1. The karma is counted per user, rather than per post.

2. It is an easier (and more attractive to those who wish to remain anonymous) to respond than have an intelligent discussion.

I think it is a given some contributors would rather leave than develop a thicker skin, and therefore it would be best to either improve the karma system or turn it off.

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2012, 04:30:34 AM »
I suspect (but do not know) that he feels the system has overall helped to keep things under control.

Riiiight.... it's working soo well....  Now I have -12  ::)  I feel much more controlled...  ;)
Obviously half came after I said it is childish -which is true- but what wrong have I done before?

Does this encouraging a user to post/offer help to ppl more?

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2012, 04:51:10 AM »
I suspect (but do not know) that he feels the system has overall helped to keep things under control.

Riiiight.... it's working soo well....  Now I have -12  ::)  I feel much more controlled...  ;)
Obviously half came after I said it is childish -which is true- but what wrong have I done before?

Does this encouraging a user to post/offer help to ppl more?


I've reviewed your posts, and wow man! You really deserved for a lot bad karma...
1. You have far too nice photos published here. Bang!
2. You're not supposed to make these pictures with 60D. Models not with FF? Bang Bang
3. You have access to many beautiful women and you boast about it. Bang
4. You have much too nice backpack. Bang
5. Your nick shows you adore more photos than gear. Bang

I'm surprised I didn't smite you yet...
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #40 on: March 12, 2012, 04:53:21 AM »
I suspect (but do not know) that he feels the system has overall helped to keep things under control.

Riiiight.... it's working soo well....  Now I have -12  ::)  I feel much more controlled...  ;)
Obviously half came after I said it is childish -which is true- but what wrong have I done before?

Does this encouraging a user to post/offer help to ppl more?

i gave you an applaud to try make you feel better if that helps seriously once the scars build up you barely feel the newer smites as they build up :P

I guess new users get taken aback by it and for everyone it is frustrating not knowing which particular post earned you the smite. I think its good the smites follow the user

There definately are people that smite when they disagree
dont let it get you down you post constructive and good information not to mention some really nice pictures in the gallery section.

cheer up ;)
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2012, 11:45:23 PM »
The OP is generally correct.. Photographers in general have a reputation for being snarky know-it-all's.. this forum is no different.
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2012, 12:11:16 AM »
Cooperation theory indicates that you should start out being nice to people, and then, utterly consistently and automatically, treat them precisely as they treat you.

When people realize they cannot gain any advantage in a manner other than productive cooperation, not by chance or force, they will capitulate and coexist peacefully.

So the math says.

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2012, 12:39:36 AM »
Right, so....Ive discovered that I have been smited like hell....in the same way mosquitos sting you if you walk out into the forest at night. ...

I guess the people who smite me are those who feel insulted because I have not recommended their lenses or bodies in my replies to other people's posts. People smite you because they can't stand their lenses being "unrecommended". Most of the time, thats the only lenses they have and they take it too personally....also I've found that some people can't stand it when others says something negative about Canon. 

On this site, by giving your opinion = smite :(

so.....since I have 120+ smites and only 30+ thumbs up, I cant careless about my reputation, so people go on smite me! Your lenses can be S___. Canon can sometimes be S___. And your camera bodies are probably need an upgrade.

You are so right. I joined this forum a few weeks ago as a retired photography instructor, with the beautiful idea of helping others for free with any and all photography questions--hence, my chosen name "helpful."

But as soon as I had started posting some images to use as examples of depth of field, white balance, etc., I started collecting an negative karma out of no where. I decided to devote my time to people who might actually want it. I deleted nearly all my posts, and all my images--why share my work at site and get smites when the same photos have won me photo of the year awards and publication in the Tribune, etc.

I am still willing to help anyone who actually wants it. Don't hesitate to ask me anything about photography.

Now watch my smites add up!
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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2012, 01:15:40 AM »
Hello helpful, I hope you stay on.   I will be looking for your images. :-)

It is unfortunate that some members prefer to smite than enter into a rational, civil and polite discussion about a point they may disagree on.  In a forum like this, members can gain knowledge about photography from people like yourself who may have experiences they don't.

I would much prefer that someone articulate their disagreement than to respond with a meaningless smite.  Or even better, respond with their thoughts AND a photograph which highlights their point (where applicable).  This is a photographic forum after all.  There is however nothing to learn from a smite (which no doubt will earn me some).

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Re: OMG....you always get smited for offering your opinion!
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