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Re: 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2010, 12:19:45 PM »
Well I'm terribly terribly sorry for daring to think out loud lol. I merely suggested one of several potential reasons, my initial comment supported your comments but I guess you missed that one :) Demand surely outstripped supply and a likely reason for that is poor forecasting. Not the only reason, and given you provided no supporting facts I fail to see how any of the comments, yours included, is anything more than guess work (well it is a rumours site ;) ).
Doesn't it contradict your poor forecasting suggestion that years after production started they are still not making enough? Yes in some ways it doesn't make much sense to restrict supply, however a certain german car maker has been restricting supply to some models for a long time and as such has cars which appreciate after being sold. There are reasons for doing it, it has been done and it will be done again in the future. I have no idea if this was the case with the 5d2, I was just suggesting some possibilities.
Perhaps you should suggest to canon they sack their sales forecasting team given after 3 years they cannot reliably predict demand.
The ps3 and bluray drives were a perfect example of supply outstripping demand due to new technology being hard to scale, however in the face of demand productivity did scale. Just look at the iphone and how easy it is for apply to massively increase production every quarter (11m-14m-21m or something equally silly, they are allegedly ordering an extra 6 million cdma units for Q1 2011, thats a serious bump), it can be done in some circumstances (the ford s max is an example of it taking forever to ramp) under the right conditions.
Given canon must be making money on a unit basis, you have to admit that they should be able by now to keep the thing in plentiful supply unless perhaps there is another reason? Unless they have diverted capacity elsewhere (they have added extra tiers, I have lost count how many different tiers they have these days)? Again, not intending to offend any sensibilities, just thinking out loud.

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Re: 5D Mark III [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2010, 12:19:45 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2010, 03:16:35 PM »
How unlikely do you think it is a 5D Mark III will appear at CES.

I am about to buy a 7D, but if a 5D3 is just a few days away, it would be nicer to know the whole picture. Yet I also feel the need to buy the 7D now as my local shop has a good deal before the VAT rises in the UK.

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« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2010, 04:46:57 PM »
RAW video is a nerds wet dream. 104Mb/s+ from a DSLR body ? Right.

I have the feeling (Ie. don't have facts to back it up), that dSLR use for videography is still very very niche... it is catching on.. but im not convinced its a big chunk of sales as of yet

Canon is not going to publish figures, they don't always know what you will use a camera for.  However, one only need look at the huge market for ADD-ons for video use of DSLR's to realize that a whole new market segment has been created.

DSLR's are being used more and more for filming commercials for TV, but the 5D MK II use for movies is limited by the compression artifacts which are expensive and difficult to remove thru post processing.  That is why videographers wish for RAW.

check out cinema5d.com to see the huge following that has sprung up virtually overnight.

Better yet, google DSLR video, you might be suprised at some pretty high end TV shows that use DSLR's for all or a portion of their episodes, the list of users is almost endless.

There is a reason why Canon has added video features to its cameras after initial release when they generally do not add features at all.  The interest shown by the video community apparently convinced them that money was to be made, and not in small amonts either.

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« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2010, 05:41:52 PM »
In addition to Canon still photography gear, I own a Panasonic TM700 video camera, which takes absolutely superb videos, given enough light, and really bad still images. First, its base ISO seems to be about 25, since its sensors are really small. Second, it uses individual sensors for red, green and blue, not a single Bayer sensor. Third, each sensor has slightly more than 2MP. A 1920x1080 video doesn't require a lot of pixels. Fourth, the control functionality in my video camera and in the newly introduced Canon XF100/105/300/305 models is nothing like the control functionality of a DSLR.

All of this leads me to question whether a 28MP FF DSLR is the optimum platform on which to build a state of the art video camera. My guess is that, instead of putting magical video capabilities in the 5DMkIII, Canon will introduce one or more state-of-the-art APS-C or APS-H video cameras, possibly taking interchangeable Canon EF and/or EF-S mount lenses and/or PL mount lenses. I further predict that the prices will take your breath away.

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« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2010, 08:29:19 PM »
By the way, it looks like the Canon may be about to get its first Oscar - Black Swan was made with a mix of 7D, 5D Mkll and 1Ds MklV as well as some Super 16.

http://www.alexandrosmaragos.com/2010/12/black-swan-canon-7d.html

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« Reply #35 on: December 29, 2010, 09:43:00 AM »
The 5D Mkll is has been a runaway sales success way beyond Canon's expectaions.


I repeat my question - what is your basis for saying that? I'd like to see some data please.



Japanese 2010 System Camera Sales Analysis:
http://www.43rumors.com/japanaese-2010-system-camera-sales-analysis/

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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2010, 08:01:56 PM »
The 5D Mkll is has been a runaway sales success way beyond Canon's expectaions.


I repeat my question - what is your basis for saying that? I'd like to see some data please.


Japanese 2010 System Camera Sales Analysis:
http://www.43rumors.com/japanaese-2010-system-camera-sales-analysis/

So that means, the 5DMkII sold well?

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« Reply #36 on: December 29, 2010, 08:01:56 PM »

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« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2010, 10:20:06 AM »
The 5D Mkll is has been a runaway sales success way beyond Canon's expectaions.


I repeat my question - what is your basis for saying that? I'd like to see some data please.



Japanese 2010 System Camera Sales Analysis:
http://www.43rumors.com/japanaese-2010-system-camera-sales-analysis/


On my opinion, these numbers are fantastic for the 5DII. Usually, the cheaper items sells more. the 5DII is the only full frame in the list. I think the second most expensive item in the list is the 7d. If you consider that the d300 is not even in the list, and that the d700 must sell less than the d300 due to the price difference, it seems that the 5DII is dominating the FF market. The fact that the sales figures are similar to the cheaper 60D, it also shows the request of this camera.

I don't know if this is beyond Canon's expectation, but I am sure they are happy with the results.

With these sales figures, and the fact that the 5DII has video, while the D700 don't, Canon might delay th replacement, and allow Nikon to act first and improve the 5DIII final model accordingly....... maybe ?

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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2011, 09:46:58 AM »
The 5D Mkll is has been a runaway sales success way beyond Canon's expectaions.


I repeat my question - what is your basis for saying that? I'd like to see some data please.


Japanese 2010 System Camera Sales Analysis:
http://www.43rumors.com/japanaese-2010-system-camera-sales-analysis/

So that means, the 5DMkII sold well?



Extremely well.

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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2011, 02:18:18 PM »
Where does the 104Mb/s number come from?


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« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2011, 01:03:06 AM »
(1920x1080x30fpsx14bit)/(8bit*1024b*1024b)

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« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2011, 07:23:00 AM »
Where does the 104Mb/s number come from?
(1920x1080x30fpsx14bit)/(8bit*1024b*1024b)

Then it should be 104MB/s, not 104Mb/s. Mb/s means megabits/sec. MB/s means megabytes/sec. One byte is 8 bits.

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« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2011, 12:19:52 PM »
(1920x1080x30fpsx14bit)/(8bit*1024b*1024b)

RAW data, if you are talking about raw video, doesn't have to include pixel data. It's not spitting out 30 uncompressed, ready-baked TIFFS/second, if that's what your numbers are based on. They could keep the current bitrate and still give us raw data from the sensor. It would be compressed, but all the other benefits of raw would be there. How realistic this is with the current chips, I don't know. Even if the only gain was white balance, I'd take it.

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« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2011, 09:15:36 PM »
With these sales figures, and the fact that the 5DII has video, while the D700 don't, Canon might delay th replacement, and allow Nikon to act first and improve the 5DIII final model accordingly....... maybe ?

I agree that the ball is in Nikon's court. Just like what sales figures are showing, 5DII is doing better than its counterpart D700 and Nikon still has to answer to the challenge in the field of affordable FF bodies.

If Nikon doesn't answer, someone else (maybe other companies - say, the next SX Pro? or K-X body?::)) would probably jump in and fill the niche. If the situation doesn't change, I'd say Canon (and people with 5D2) would be even happier with their current position.

We'll probably see a new D800 before we hear anything solid on the 5D3.
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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2011, 03:04:05 AM »
Don't know about the rest of you people, but I'd really LOVE to have the option of buying a cutting edge FF DSLR without video capability, if the price difference is at least 500 dollars. I don't see the point in a video capable DSLR with virtually non-existent autofocus. If Canon released two versions of a 5D mark III (one with video, and a cheaper one without), they'd really make me a happy customer. I know some of you want to say GO BUY A NIKON D700, but that camera's outdated, not enough pixels on a FF body. The only thing still holding me back from buying a 5D Mark II is curiosity - I'd love to see what Nikon churns out in the coming months... And then see what Canon throws back at them ))) My 50D works just fine for me right now.

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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2011, 03:04:05 AM »