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5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
Radiating:
It recently occured to me after Nikon announced that with a grip the D800 shoots 6 FPS that I can't find a single advantage to the 5D3 over the D800. Here's what I know so far:
5D3 vs D800/E by catagory:
Dynamic Range: Inferior
Color Fidelity: Inferior
Noise: Equal
FPS: Equal (with a grip)
Video: Inferior
Autofocus: Equal (both are pro level)/Inferior (no f/8.0)/Superior (better with fast lenses due to special f/2.8 sensors)
White Balance: Inferior
Auto Exposure: Inferior
In Camera Lens Correction: Inferior
Pop up Flash: Inferior
Price: Inferior
Resolution: Inferior
AA filter: Inferior
I realize that the 5D3 has a better menu system, so that's one thing it can possibly do better.
Also please don't smite me. I'm not trying to bash the 5D3, as I'm actually a Canon fan and will be getting the 5D3, but can anyone think of one major feature that the 5D3 does better than the D800? If so feel free to post, I'm just trying to get informed here.
Thanks. :)
poker_jake85:
That's why I switched my preorder to the d800 and saved $500
LetTheRightLensIn:
--- Quote from: Radiating on March 13, 2012, 08:03:44 PM ---It recently occured to me after Nikon announced that with a grip the D800 shoots 6 FPS that I can't find a single advantage to the 5D3 over the D800. Here's what I know so far:
5D3 vs D800/E by catagory:
Dynamic Range: Inferior
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looks like it, by a lot
--- Quote ---Color Fidelity: Inferior
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this is not known yet, it's possible the 5D3 might be better, we will see
--- Quote ---Noise: Equal
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probably very close and thus effectively equal, but it's not 100% for sure yet
--- Quote ---FPS: Equal (with a grip)
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mixed
if you want fps for wildlife that is not really, really close in, then the D800 wins
if you can get close enough to frame as desired, then the 5D3 wins since it can do it at 22MP vs 16MP DX, so more detail and less noise
at much higher ISOs reach advantage of D800 goes away so the D800 has no advantages and then you have either similar noise and detail or less noise and more detail from 5D3 scenarios, plus without grip, so 5D3 wins
--- Quote ---Video: Inferior
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mixed, but probably much more of a 5D3 win
D800 has 1080p crop mode so it wins for distant wildlife
D800 has full signal out over HDMI so it wins for that (although many people will not be able to handle that, so it's a win only for the really serious)
but the 5D3 appears to have less aliasing and color moire and should have slightly better SNR and maybe less rolling shutter, pretty huge things, providing there is not lesser sharpness from the 5D3, the 5D3 wins and since this covers a lot of shooting, I think it more likely that it will turn out that the 5D3 gets the win for video and perhaps not by a little
--- Quote ---Autofocus: Equal (both are pro level)/Inferior (no f/8.0)/Superior (better with fast lenses due to special f/2.8 sensors)
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unknown at this point
--- Quote ---White Balance: Inferior
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possibly
--- Quote ---Auto Exposure: Inferior
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very probably so
--- Quote ---In Camera Lens Correction: Inferior
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no idea, maybe
--- Quote ---Pop up Flash: Inferior
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yes
--- Quote ---Price: Inferior
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unless you need 6fps
--- Quote ---Resolution: Inferior
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yes, noticeably
--- Quote ---AA filter: Inferior
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not fair to say, each has the filter it needs
--- Quote ---I realize that the 5D3 has a better menu system, so that's one thing it can possibly do better.
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yes, personally, I do not like the nikon UI
you can also add that the Nikons I think do flash metering better
and the D800 has intervalometer built-in
Martin:
Sad but true. Unfortunately u may also update your list with:
-Flash system
-x-sync (real)
-price
-producers software (does matter so much imho)
-customization options
-shutter durabilty.
I just regret that I own any gear right now. It would be easier to choose having empty backpack...
I am just asking myself a question-There will be many canon users who will keep their gear and add 5d3 to their sets, as they already have some gear, but some of them will switch. A lot of people who make purchase decision right now will choose Nikon because of "the list" and some due to of higher mpix sensor as it's great marketing argument for those who have no detailed information about IQ, studio shooters will probably stay with their already owned 5d2, as there is nothing worth upgrading (no better DR, no need for higher ISOs, no need for better AF, almost same resolution ok- less banding) .So the question is how Canon is going to attract new customers? Price is not a argument for sure. Doesn't it mean they will lost a huge share of the market. Maybe it is not a photo related topic but it's interesting.
Edwin Herdman:
The D800 does NOT offer frame rates comparable to the Mark III, with or without a battery grip, without taking a significant ding to framing and resolution (and, by extension, the DX crop mode will make your wide lenses frame less wide, and your long lenses appear longer, by a funky 1.2X crop). And yes, on top of that, you need a battery grip even to do it. Say what you will about Canon, but I haven't read about them requiring a different power source for faster continuous shooting on any digital camera models - only Nikon wants us to believe in a digital film winder.
The autofocus module looks set to be a significant win for Canon, for the first time in my knowledge.
Dynamic range is an interesting one, but it ought to be remembered that high ISOs sacrifice dynamic range as a matter of course so some more in-depth third-party samples will be very helpful in judging how well Canon actually does or doesn't do in providing useful high ISO settings.
Many of the other points are debatable, but we won't get anywhere without more samples and hopefully a review.
On the whole, I'm pleased Nikon is offering what looks like stiff competition, and I find it interesting that I'm feeling like my Canon partisanship is being summoned at some hackery against "our" camera - when the Nikon camera is looking like it puts into play the "higher MP images offer more pixels for cutting noise interference with detail" argument I've used before. However, since I did a lot of that writing, I found the 7D...I am finding that for practical purposes the higher autofocus rate is more useful than gobs of unused detail in every frame.
What has me on edge is the apparent fact that the Nikon does not seem to offer (I hope I'm wrong) mRAW or sRAW-alike options, just crop modes which will reduce the number of total pixels being used at the beginning, which is the method you'd use if your CPU was old and outdated. Canon's CPUs and sensor readouts are fast and parallel enough that they can effectively blend multiple pixels.
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