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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #420 on: July 10, 2012, 11:54:45 AM »
I was prohibited from using a flash last night and shot several frams at ISO 12,800 on my 5D Mark III and only applied 20% NR and the noise was gone.  I can't complain.
This is really good! I would never try 12800 with my 5DMkII. The top ISO I use is 6400.
Did you use Lightroom or photoshop?

I ask because it has been said that only Canon's DPP latest versions exhibit the maximum sharpness... (reported on other threads on this site a few months ago)

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #420 on: July 10, 2012, 11:54:45 AM »

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #421 on: July 10, 2012, 12:01:30 PM »
I was prohibited from using a flash last night and shot several frams at ISO 12,800 on my 5D Mark III and only applied 20% NR and the noise was gone.  I can't complain.
This is really good! I would never try 12800 with my 5DMkII. The top ISO I use is 6400.
Did you use Lightroom or photoshop?

I ask because it has been said that only Canon's DPP latest versions exhibit the maximum sharpness... (reported on other threads on this site a few months ago)

I took a ton of shots at my daughter's recital and alot were @12800 and they looked great.  Never had to use flash once.  I was using my 70-200 2.8II with Av and auto ISO.
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #422 on: July 10, 2012, 12:01:56 PM »
I was prohibited from using a flash last night and shot several frams at ISO 12,800 on my 5D Mark III and only applied 20% NR and the noise was gone.  I can't complain.
This is really good! I would never try 12800 with my 5DMkII. The top ISO I use is 6400.
Did you use Lightroom or photoshop?

I ask because it has been said that only Canon's DPP latest versions exhibit the maximum sharpness... (reported on other threads on this site a few months ago)

Even better.  All I literally did was import it to Adobe Camera RAW, apply NR, and saved it to maximum JPEG.  I'll show you later when I get home.
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #423 on: July 10, 2012, 11:16:40 PM »
you should give topaz denoise a go
you can apply differenct degrees of noise reduction to shadow, highlight and colour channels as well as custom noise reduction to deal with pattern banding if you have to push 4 stops of shadow

they do a 30 day trial version, its worth playing with
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #424 on: July 10, 2012, 11:20:32 PM »
I promise I'll post it, I just haven't slugged through the photos fast enough yet this evening.  I'm on a timeline to get these done  :-\
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #425 on: July 11, 2012, 12:02:38 AM »
I promise I'll post it, I just haven't slugged through the photos fast enough yet this evening.  I'm on a timeline to get these done  :-\

I have a backlog of processing to do too :( i still havent processed my photos from my trip to china!  :o  :-[
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #426 on: July 11, 2012, 04:31:19 AM »
you should give topaz denoise a go
you can apply differenct degrees of noise reduction to shadow, highlight and colour channels as well as custom noise reduction to deal with pattern banding if you have to push 4 stops of shadow

they do a 30 day trial version, its worth playing with

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #426 on: July 11, 2012, 04:31:19 AM »

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #427 on: July 12, 2012, 09:57:10 PM »
If you like going thru hard drives like water then the D800 is for you. 1000 raw images fills 750gig of hd space. No thanks. The buffer is terribly slow too, thats why they dont offer medium raw because med raw would slow it to a crawl.
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #428 on: July 13, 2012, 02:28:27 AM »
If you like going thru hard drives like water then the D800 is for you. 1000 raw images fills 750gig of hd space. No thanks. The buffer is terribly slow too, thats why they dont offer medium raw because med raw would slow it to a crawl.

Actually that is not correct.  If you shoot lossless compressed, which is the default, it averages about 45MB per shot doing typical landscape type shooting of high detail subjects.  I went to one of my D800E directories and found 270 NEF file that averaged 45MB each for a total of 11.5GB size according to windows.  If you multiply the 270 by 3.7 you'll get about 1,000 files.  Taking that number a 1,000 NEF lossless compressed files gives you 42.59 GB.  You are off by more than an order of mangnitude.   

On an average my 5D3 takes about 28-30 MB in size.  Assuming again 1,000 files, the 5D3 takes about 28 to 30 GB for 1000 files.  The net difference between the 5D3 and the Nikon D800E is about 12-15 GB for every 1,000  raw files or about the same percentage that 36 mega-pixels is larger than 22 mega-pixels.

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #429 on: July 13, 2012, 07:06:33 AM »
This assumes the same type of photography, but the cameras may well and are differently used.
Poor MF digital shooters. Btw. exactly the same could have been said also to the 5D2 users what is said today to D800 users, so there seem to be not much brand logic.

P.S. memories are priceless but memory is cheap (hint: choose what is worth it).

P.P.S memory sizes still increase and the storage gets cheaper faster than cameras are developed.

If you like going thru hard drives like water then the D800 is for you. 1000 raw images fills 750gig of hd space. No thanks. The buffer is terribly slow too, thats why they dont offer medium raw because med raw would slow it to a crawl.

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #430 on: July 13, 2012, 10:26:17 AM »
I think Bosman is referring to the rate of return.  Storage size goes up drastically (22mp vs 36mp) with highly diminishing returns in IQ.  So why do it?
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #431 on: July 13, 2012, 12:34:59 PM »
I think Bosman is referring to the rate of return.  Storage size goes up drastically (22mp vs 36mp) with highly diminishing returns in IQ.  So why do it?

May I suggest that with more MP more thinking takes place before the shutter is pressed?
That is certainly true with MF digital.

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #432 on: July 13, 2012, 12:36:07 PM »
This thread is going on 30 pages. Seriously? :|

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
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« Reply #433 on: July 13, 2012, 12:38:03 PM »
I think Bosman is referring to the rate of return.  Storage size goes up drastically (22mp vs 36mp) with highly diminishing returns in IQ.  So why do it?

May I suggest that with more MP more thinking takes place before the shutter is pressed?
That is certainly true with MF digital.

You're inferring then, that with less mp, less thinking is going on.  I beg to differ as I have a 16mp 1D Mark IV and I can tell you I think no less than if I had a 36mp camera.  I put great thought into my photography, regardless of camera.  Yes I also have an EOS-3, which hurts my brain sometimes  ;D
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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #434 on: July 13, 2012, 05:32:53 PM »
I think Bosman is referring to the rate of return.  Storage size goes up drastically (22mp vs 36mp) with highly diminishing returns in IQ.  So why do it?

May I suggest that with more MP more thinking takes place before the shutter is pressed?
That is certainly true with MF digital.

You're inferring then, that with less mp, less thinking is going on.  I beg to differ as I have a 16mp 1D Mark IV and I can tell you I think no less than if I had a 36mp camera.  I put great thought into my photography, regardless of camera.  Yes I also have an EOS-3, which hurts my brain sometimes  ;D

Interesting - ff fans say with big mps we can crop out the picture and also we would have to think harder  before taking the picture. Sounds like there is a gap in the thinking there

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Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« Reply #434 on: July 13, 2012, 05:32:53 PM »