5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?

[altenae]

5D mark III plastic !!!
No way.

I am so sick and tired of this Nikon/Canon topics.

No one thinks about Lenses
No one thinks about taking pictures instead of all kind of numbers and specs.

For me no more forums till this hype is over.
I know replies will follow.

Edward van Altena
www.wildlife-photos.net

[moreorless]

To me, the price of the body is only a part of the total equation.
If you're serious enough to be wanting a good FF camera, you also want lenses, flashes and all sorts of other accessories to get those shots and a camera that makes it easy to get them.

To me, while Nikon make some very good cameras, their lenses are just too expensive for me and they don't seem to offer much more than Canon do for the focal lengths I use.

I made the decision to go with Canon after dallying with Nikon, some time ago and I find this berating of the 5D3 against the D800 rather childish.
I bet that in a year or 2, when you are salivating over these gorgeous landscapes taken by top photographers, and the fantastic studio shots in magazines etc., that the majority of them will be taken using Canon cameras, and not Nikon, just as they are now.

Most true pros don't pixel peep like many of us amateurs. They're too busy taking GOOD photos to worry about it.
It's a bit like boasting that your car can do 0-60mph 1/10th of a second quicker than another car, and so your car MUST be a better car. But you never mention how dreadfull it is going around corners or the poor build quality and poor re-sale value.
It's really just a childish attitude.

There does seem to have been a large influx of "fanboyish" behaviour on both sides since the annoucements.

Personally my opinion is that Canon seems to target the market rather differently from Nikon with a clearer spilt between cheaper and more expensive gear. I thinking that may explain there putting more focus on FPS/ISO/AF since FF SLR's represent the highest level of performance in those areas where as they are always going to play second fiddle to MF in pure resolution, hence more people buying 1DX's and 10K super tele's than spending similar amounts on high megapixel bodies likes the D3x and 1Ds3 and landscape/studio lenses.

Even ignoring the fanboy element I don't think you can really trust the net to give you a proper representation of the market. Photo forums are naturally inhabited by amatures focused on resolution(espeically landscape shooters IMHO), I say that as one myself as that kind of shooting a bit more "tech heavy" and those who do it more intersted in that side of things, the gear won't take great pics for you but its needed more to get certain results. The D800E is basically the ideal camera for this market(seriously weighing up switching myself since I'm mostly tied to EF-S lenses anyway) but I'm guessing the 5D mk3 may target a larger silent market.

[Tijn]

I noticed some saying that the 5D MkIII noise performance was "equal" to that of the D800. How was that comparison done? At the pixel level, or by downsampling the D800 megapixels? Also, is that just for low ISO, or mid range, or high? I was under the impression that the D800 has better noise performance around ISO 100-200 but that the Canon was better at high ISO's.

[Tijn]

I am sure that a donw sammopled d800 would way way way beat a 5 d mk III... its simple physiscs...

Well, as the downsampling isn't a simple ratio like 2:1, detail will be lost. It's not an easy comparison.

[Ivar]

- 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?

* I would think that the 5D might have a slight high ISO advantage
* more speed (EDIT: actually Nikon is faster by processing MPs - 4*36=144 vs 6*22=132)
* in camera video (intra/inter frame)?

That's about it, the number of MP is not exactly the question of being better but what is needed, so both might have their uses.

In general the D800 looks more mature/better product as I could count more benefits:
* AF is the same as the D4 and it is also up to F8
* solid weather sealing
* magnesium alloy body
* very good DR
* no banding
* choice of AA filter/filterless model
* better flash system
* better f-sync
* uncompressed HDMI output
* better price
* better functionality for constrainting sync speed auto iso

Also, Canon's new flash sytem is complete miss IMO - there are much better and cheaper 3rd party stuff around (distance, configuration flexibility etc)

[Ivar]

By the way, the 5D3 is not a bad product, but the price falls apart. For a premium product I could understand  premium price.

P.S. I have had a Canon D60, a 5D Mk1, I do have a 5D Mk2  (otherwise some might think I'm trolling in Canon forums).

[caMARYnon]

- 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?


In general the D800 looks more mature/better product as I could count more benefits:

* magnesium alloy body

5D3 is really made from plastic ?

[Alker]

- 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?


In general the D800 looks more mature/better product as I could count more benefits:

* magnesium alloy body

5D3 is really made from plastic ?

No !!
Also magnesium alloy.
http://sohoa.vnexpress.net/Files/Subject/3B/9B/5A/87/Canon_EOS_5D_Mark_III_body_back-286x300.jpg

[PhilDrinkwater]

- 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?


In general the D800 looks more mature/better product as I could count more benefits:

* magnesium alloy body

5D3 is really made from plastic ?

No !!
Also magnesium alloy.

Indeed:
"The EOS 5D Mark III’s body construction is a combination of durable materials – a steel base plate to which the magnesium alloy body shell is attached. The camera also features a robust dust-proof and drip-proof construction, where body panels interlock rather than adjoin, and all seams, buttons and dials are provided with secure rubber sealing. The protection provided by the design and sealing is equivalent to that of the EOS-1N film camera; the weather-sealing standard by which other professional cameras were judged."

[Xtobolic]

Canon =

1. 70-200 f4 options that Nikon doesn't offer (yet)
2. best TS-E's
3. Biggest lens selection
4. Biggest second hand market by far (at least in europe)
5. Best 70-200/2.8
6. Unique lenses like the 8-15 Fish Eye, the new primes with IS, 200-400 and MP-E65
7. The possibility to use thousands and thousands of ALT lenses, even Nikons.

Just some things that people might forget when talking about BODIES all the time (and yes I know this topic is about the comparison of 2 recently announced bodies, but IMO this whole thing about switching and buying purely based on a body is crazy). Like some1 already stated in this thread, It's not just the body your buying, it is the whole system.

And yes, I do get tempted every time Nikon shells out an incredible body. But it's much more then bodies. And IMO the lens possibilities for the Canon system are unsurpassed and offer more possibilities.

OT:

I've got an 5D2 and for me the 5D3 isnt tempting enough.
If Canon launched a cam like the D800 I  might have been.
I dont need AF cause I use Zeiss (21, 35/2, 50/1.4, 100/2) So why should I upgrade to the 5D3 now that doesnt support interchangeble focussingscreens.

Ill wait a couple of months/years. Till the price lowers to about 2500 Euro's or something.

[PhilDrinkwater]

And IMO the lens possibilities for the Canon system are unsurpassed and offer more possibilities.

Yes - I think this is the key point for me. The only (pro) lens that Nikon has which is clearly better than the Canon equivalent is the 14-24 (that I know of). The "holy primes" (35, 85, 135) are unmatched. The 100 macro is amazing for studio. The new 24-70 MTF graphs show it to be the best by some way (although it's not cheap! And it's only MTF graphs so far). The 70-200 2.8 II is just better than the Nikon. The f4 zooms are a fantastic option - in fact Nikon stole the idea with their recent 24-120.

And why would you want to have more resolution with the Nikon 105mm macro (compared to the Canon)? http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=107&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=4&LensComp=645&CameraComp=614&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=4

Lenses will make a much bigger difference to my photography than 1/3rd more resolution. Trying to get people to actually understand that is really really hard.

Let's face it, many peoples work never even sees an A3 printer, never mind anything larger. I know mine rarely does and I make money from photography. I've even seen amazing large prints from 8mp cameras.

People keep saying they want more resolution .... but few people are actually saying what they need it for?

I wouldn't even consider switching brands unless Nikon picked their lens game up quite considerably. The 5d3 might be £500 too expensive, but I wouldn't choose to make my photographs worse just to save £500.

[awinphoto]

Is it that Canon shooters are the most open minded shooters out there or have we gone crazy?  You go onto nikonrumors, say one bad thing about nikon, and you get openly flogged... you go onto canonrumors, say bad things about canon and people agree... right or wrong, if you love what the 5d3 has to offer, great, buy it if you are in a position to... If not, dont buy it, buy a 5d2, buy a 1d series, jump to nokin if you have to, but lets bring civility onto this board at least until the cameras are released, test, and found wanting. 

[melbournite]

I already ordered my 5DIII and this thread has taken a bit of the shine off my excitement.  But when I think about what I personally wanted and needed in a 5DII replacement, I got most of it (I would have loved an evolution in DR). If the 5DIII feels and operates like the 7D or better with picture quality of the 5DII or better, I might even buy another one.

[awinphoto]

I already ordered my 5DIII and this thread has taken a bit of the shine off my excitement.  But when I think about what I personally wanted and needed in a 5DII replacement, I got most of it (I would have loved an evolution in DR). If the 5DIII feels and operates like the 7D or better with picture quality of the 5DII or better, I might even buy another one.

Dont let other people bring you down to their level.  If you look at what most people wanted improved upon with the 5d3... AF, ISO, Handling, etc... Canon did just that, they listened to their consumer base, and they still get dragged in the mud... some people will never be happy. Enjoy your new camera an post pics when you can!

[Tuggem]

The funny thing about f8 AF is that Canon has the teles and converters to get some use of f8 while Nikon is way behind Canon in teles and converters. Still its Nikon who has the f8.