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Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« on: March 13, 2012, 09:55:26 PM »
Using a 7D I was wanting the new 24-70mm, however the price and no IS has me looking for options.  I shoot a lot indoors and enjoy fast lenses, ie. 70-200mm f2.8 II, Sigma 50mm f1.4, ef-s 10-22mm f3.5 and ef24-105 IS.

I am trying to decide if the 17-55 would work for me.  I rented this lens over Christmas and just felt I had to get in everyones face to get good head and shoulder shots.  Maybe I did not give it a chance so thus my plea for help today.  Then this weekend I did two shoots with the 50mm and I could not get far enough away to do groups (more than 4 people) and I started thinking about the 17-55 again.

My hope of getting a 5DmkIII was delayed by the intro price and to be honest my 7D is treating me very well.  So the concern of buying another ef-s lens is waning and I am now enjoying the anticipation of a new 7D.  Maybe!!!!

I have read the reviews on the 17-55 and I am aware of the dust issue, the weight is not a concern and I thought the overall sharpness on my rental copy was very good.  So any advice would be greatly appreciated.  Many thanks.

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Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 10:05:37 PM »
IMO, it's the best general purpose zoom for APS-C.  After getting a 7D, I subsequently got a 5DII, 24-105, and 16-35. I kept the 17-55mm for those times I'm using the 7D and need a general purpose zoom.
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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 10:42:56 PM »
The ef-s 17-55 is a fine lens, and the dust issue is overblown if you take precautions.  However, I'm not sure if the 17-55 makes sense in your case because you already have the range covered.  From what you've written, it looks like you need faster glass for shooting indoors.  Perhaps it might be worthwhile to look at the 24L or 35L instead of the 17-55.  The 17-55 is only about one stop faster than the 10-22/24-105 lenses you already have.  The 24 and 35L would give you three stops compared to the f/3.5-4.5 of the 10-22/24-105 combo.  I like the 35L for on a crop body for single person portraits, and the 24L is nice for small groups.

You won't lose much money by buying and selling the 17-55 if you decide you want to move to FF, but if you'd rather not and are willing to swap lenses more, you might prefer a fast prime.

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 10:45:36 PM »
I almost bought this lens 4 times and got cold feet and passed.  I still don't own one and for those that do, you might want to get better advice from actual owners.  FWIW, the following are what has held me back buying this lens:

> dust - this does not affect image quality at all
> lens creep
> overall build quality not the best
> USM issue for older lenses

I did buy the 15-85 EF-S lens and I'm very happy with the IQ of this lens and the zoom range.  It was an upgrade to the 17-85 EF-S which was released around the same time as the 17-55.  I'm only guessing, but this lens might be on the upgrade list with a 15-55 or a rumored 15-60 to replace the 17-55.  Again as I have stated, these are my reasons why I have not actually bought this lens and they have nothing to do with IQ.

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 10:50:55 PM »
I loved mine, I had it for three years and held on to it for 6 months after I upgraded to FF.  Not a speck of dust.

I later bought a 7D as a backup, and a 15-85mm worked for my use, but I can say I was very happy with the 17-55 and got a good price when I finally sold it.

My 24-105mm L was also very good on my crop bodies, but I had to carry the 17-55mm with me for wide angle use.

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 10:58:23 PM »
> lens creep
> overall build quality not the best
> USM issue for older lenses

I did buy the 15-85 EF-S lens...

You are concerned about lens creep (my 17-55 has none, never heard this as an issue), and got a 15-85mm, which reportedly does suffer from lens creep?

AFAIK, the 17-55 and 15-85 build are equivalent. If you want/need better, you'd need an L lens.

Also...what USM issue for older lenses??
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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 11:21:58 PM »
neuro - I read somewhere that the focus motor did emit a clicking noise in older lenses. 

I'll probably eventually buy this lens one day, but so far, I'm in a holding pattern.

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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 11:29:39 PM »
I had the 24-70mm L and before that the older sigma version on my 7d all the time.  I stressed about the the 17-55mm for a while, I took the leap about6 months ago, i loved and still do, the only down side to me upgrading is having to get rid of the 17-55mm.

The 24-70 produced great images I just wanted something a hair wider for my needs on the crop body.  I found myself using the great sigma 10-20mm 3.5 to go wider and didn't always like the results (again for my needs) being so wide.  The 17-55mm met my needs and now the 10-20mm and 24-70 L are in the bag most of the time.

note on what i use my 7d for
I shoot friends and fam indoors and out, I'm the weirdo with the massive camera at all times. - prefer no flash but keep the flash mounted for when I really want to wow people, i prefer no flash, i find everyday photo viewers like a blow out flash shot, also most people, without being to harsh are not suitable for no flash photography unless in great indoor/outdoor or great natural light.  I also do photography on the side for a friend who owns a DJ company in NY.  I prefer to be a third shooter, less stress I get to take a lot of pictures at events and find my shots being selected by the clients, people love the artistic/photojournalistic approach.  Mostly I have them pimp me out for low stress 3 hour zap shot gigs, they have really nice commercial plasmas they put around the room - they DJ shuffles videos with the music he plays and my shots are mixed in the whole night.  Its a really nice chance to get some practice and not have the pressure of say a wedding shoot. At any rate, I'm new to the forum and wanted to supply some input on how I use the 7d with the lens your considering.  For a while I was actually concerned about having L glass on my 7d but Im confident and my work is suitable enough I could care less what people think about the equipment i use and always compliment me on my photos.  Especialy since i wouldn't be surprised if in april i find guests pulling out there new shiny 5d3 or d800.  While my camera does produce great results in auto mode in the hands of most, they always ask, why do your shots look different than mine?....

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 11:33:35 PM »
This lens is a great match for the 7D. Brighter and wider then the 24-105 I find it is a great lens for many situations and is my default lens on my camera. I have had no issues with this lens and have had it for a year or so now.
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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 11:48:23 PM »
> lens creep
> overall build quality not the best
> USM issue for older lenses

I did buy the 15-85 EF-S lens...

You are concerned about lens creep (my 17-55 has none, never heard this as an issue), and got a 15-85mm, which reportedly does suffer from lens creep?

AFAIK, the 17-55 and 15-85 build are equivalent. If you want/need better, you'd need an L lens.

Also...what USM issue for older lenses??

I never understood why the 17-55 has such a bad reputation.  The 10-22, 17-55 and 15-85 have similar construction quality but it seems like the 17-55 gets panned the most...

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 11:56:47 PM »
I have the 17-55 and the 15-85 on 60D bodies.
I slightly prefer the images from the 17-55 but make far more use of the 15-85 (about 5:1) because of the greater zoom range and superior IS performance. 
I'm usually reaching for more DoF so the aperture limits on the 15-85 aren't much of an issue for me.  18-85's done some great landscape shots for me altho I tend to avoid the extremes of the zoom range for some optical issues.  17-55's slight advantage in low light comes in handy at times.

Got my 17-55 used and it had a fair bit of dust in it. I keep my 15-85 clean and there's none inside it.

Each is good in their own way and despite the large overlap, they're rather different animals.
Try a 15-85 for a day if you can.

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2012, 02:38:27 AM »
17-55 2.8 IS is the default lens on my 7D when in video mode. It's a good range for day to day shooting. Wide enough, but able to zoom in for a good portrait too.

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« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 09:26:18 PM »
However, I'm not sure if the 17-55 makes sense in your case because you already have the range covered.  From what you've written, it looks like you need faster glass for shooting indoors.

You didn't actually read what he wrote did you? I think he said the problem was that the framing was too tight with the 50mm and he couldn't back up far enough to fit everyone in the frame.  50mm is like 80mm on a 7D, so that is pretty tight. 

Caric I think you'll love the 17-55, like neuro said it's the best general purpose zoom for the 7D.  The optics are definitely "L" quality and the IS works great, go for it.
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2012, 10:22:30 PM »
Thanks everyone, very good advice.  Before I pull the trigger on the 17-55 does anyone know when it was introduced and are there any rumors of a pending upgrade or replacement?

One final comment that helped me make the buying decision.  Last night I had a shoot at church (gratis of course) using my 24-105mm and I did not allow myself to go past the 55mm mark.  Fairly revealing.  It is a lot easier to move closer than further back (indoors).

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Re: Advice on ef-s 17-55mm f2.8 IS
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 10:48:05 PM »
Go for it.  I don't think you'll be disappointed with this lens. 

There have been some rumors about a replacement.  Some of these rumors were probably wishlists and wishful thinking.  The rumors came out some time ago, and things have been quiet lately on that front.  I don't think there's solid grounds to believe a replacement is imminent.

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