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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2012, 02:04:08 PM »
Cops in London were always a bunch of twats in my experience.
You are lucky the SUS law is still not in effect.
Back in the late 70s and early 80s they could stop and search you on suspicion of anything they could think of?

Try doing that in the US...

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2012, 02:04:08 PM »

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2012, 02:47:54 PM »
Cops in London were always a bunch of twats in my experience.
You are lucky the SUS law is still not in effect.
Back in the late 70s and early 80s they could stop and search you on suspicion of anything they could think of?

Try doing that in the US...

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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2012, 03:01:57 PM »
Perhaps EvilTed was exercising his dry wit.

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2012, 03:09:00 PM »
Perhaps EvilTed was exercising his dry wit.

 Ah yes that does make sense.   :-[ :-[ :P :P
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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2012, 05:05:59 PM »
The incident happened in 2009 - the laws have been sorted since then

If you like I will go street shooting with the 600 and see if I get arrested

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2012, 07:42:46 PM »
The incident happened in 2009 - the laws have been sorted since then

If you like I will go street shooting with the 600 and see if I get arrested

You've pointed this out already.  Alas there has been a slow but steady increase in the hassling of "unofficial" video and still photographers around the US and in New York as well as London, which had at one point actual laws against pointing DSLRs at a range of public buildings; then someone must have remembered the Olympics were coming.  (I think there's a thread about it in CR somewhere, and there is plenty in the Nikon Rumors forum.)  I don't doubt that you, Brian, with your confidence and resourcefulness will get around any such obstacles -- indeed in your special costume and 800 lb lens you might even become a tourist attraction here in New York and as such a boon to the hotel industry and qualifying for police protection.  But I can tell you on information and belief, that most people are far more easily intimidated.  It's also nice to see the manufacturers begin to fight back, professional associations (as per that post from London) &c.  None of this cancels the general trend. 

The entrenchment of the security culture over the past twenty years has really been something, at least it has been here.  It was underway by the early '90s when the effects of the new economic dispensation began to kick in.  The response to 9/11 clothed it with a loud and hard-to-talk-back-to rhetoric.   This is especially true when you want to photograph police presence.  Photographers can learn how to answer preposterous claims and attempted hindrances here:

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/you-have-every-right-photograph-cop

I too have a 60D, though I don't doubt that your 60D is bigger and better.   It wasn't till I bought this camera and started to use it out of doors, that I became aware of the Security Attitude, security both private and public.  Generally the cops are easier to deal with than the former, who are themselves very often retired cops with more aggressive orders.   It's amazing the scope of what these  have been and are trying to stop -- like taking photos of the facades of immense and famous buildings.  The commanding irony of course is that the prevalence of pocket and cell-phone cams makes their hugger-mugger entirely pointless.  It's as if the Wizards of Oz over here credit DSLRs with some sort of voodoo power.  The only other group that seems to share this view is a scattering of ... photographers, amateur and professional.

Why does this matter?  Because of the present atmosphere, and because photographers document the forms and pressures of the times, and serve too as canaries in the mine-shaft.  It's very easy to understand why the cuffs get tighter.  Imagine you were wearing the badge -- I won't let anything happen on my watch!.  Without a lot more push-back than we're seeing at the moment it's inevitable that restrictions of every kind will just go on getting bigger and commoner and stupider, not just against Canon gear photography but speech, inquiry, research, distribution -- all in the name of saving liberty and freedom.   The year 2009 was not the end of that process.  I think it's significant -- from the video embedded in the Guardian link -- that the episode ended in physical violence against that female tourist, for that's what is was, put yourself in her shoes.   And the new face of authority appeared for us to see clearly.  That young cop didn't seem like a bad kid to me, but you could see that "Oh, yeah?!" attitude that had been instilled in him.  For more than 200 years immunity from police violence was a seldom-challenged perk of being middle class.   The security culture is breeding impunity.

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2012, 09:36:56 PM »
I Didn't have a big white, but when i was in london back in february, I didn't get stopped once or eyed weirdly. 

Then again getting charge 35 pounds to go into the tower of london was a bigger insult and one of the reasons I will not be spending anymore time in London in the future.
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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2012, 10:59:37 PM »
Sign of the times:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/mar/19/police-payout-student-arrested-filming

Reminds me of an incident that my father related from when he was visiting East Germany in the 1950s (before the wall went up).  He was taking a photo of a municipal building and was arrested and interrogated for nearly an entire day.  Fortunately a relative was able to get him out of detention, but he landed up with East German agents following him for quite a while after that....

I have been fairly lucky since moving to Melbourne.  In one instance, last August, I was waiting to take some photos of the gas brigades at Crown Casino, when I struck up a conversation with two rather bored looking policemen.  They merely  commented that I looked like I knew what I was doing because I had a rather big camera, but thought that I should rather take some photos of some of the girls walking by, as they looked more interesting than the plumes of gas flames that I was waiting for...  ;D  (Some other people have not been so lucky here.)
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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2012, 12:56:35 AM »
Things like this really annoy me and I'm slowly working my way through the video.

I do wish she hadn't changed her story about her reason for shooting. First she says she has no reason and later says she an art student interested in buildings and doing a project.

But that's no excuse for the officers being so aggressive, and the language barrier probably wasn't helping.


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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2012, 01:48:16 AM »
"Perhaps EvilTed was exercising his dry wit."

It's a British thing ;)

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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2012, 07:17:03 AM »
I recently attended a small class about thermal imaging. You could bring your own camera or use one that was provided. A thermal imaging camera looks way different from a DSLR and can cost more than a 1DX.

The field portion of the class was a short walk from the training facility. There were 5 of us.

A member of the Chicago police drove by slowly and then stopped and asked what we were doing. I had the distinct impression that they would not have been amused by any smart ass comments.

Not a good feeling.
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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2012, 08:41:11 AM »

Official Police Photography Guidance :

http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm

It is worth printing out and keeping a copy with you when you're out and about, not every officer has seen it.  I was spoken to by a couple of PCSO's in Camden a few weeks ago and showed them and had no problems.  Remember to be polite to the Police if visiting London (even if they don't have a gun!), they are only human the same as all of us and if you start getting aggro don't expect a good response.

I have lived in London for 33 years and never had an issue with any Police officer - perhaps because I am very polite and try not to break the law - or when I do (eg. no right turn in my car) I am so reasonable I have always been let off.

The only place I would be wary of photography is Canary Wharf, unless you contact them prior to attending for a permit, as it is technically private property.  I had a problem with a security guard there but after a couple of minutes of chat he was fine to let me continue.

I hope this doesn't come across as patronising, it's not meant to be.  I do street photography in London regularly and the police are the last of my worries, getting shouted at by a market trader after I take his snap is a far more realistic problem!

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« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2012, 11:58:57 AM »
I recently attended a small class about thermal imaging. You could bring your own camera or use one that was provided. A thermal imaging camera looks way different from a DSLR and can cost more than a 1DX.

The field portion of the class was a short walk from the training facility. There were 5 of us.

A member of the Chicago police drove by slowly and then stopped and asked what we were doing. I had the distinct impression that they would not have been amused by any smart ass comments.

Not a good feeling.

 Howdy neighbor :-)

 I'm from merrillville Indiana area. The police in the chicago area have a long long history of abberant behavior. I have extended family that are cops in chicago. I have seen their attitude change to you better not screw with me or I'll blank you up. Don't get me wrong its not a slight change its drastic.  Its almost the same as if they joined a gang, it's very thug I sh.

 I have a dry and slightly twisted sense of humor that has a life of its own so my other half cringes when police officers comes up to me ( not that it happens all the time).  :-X

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2012, 01:47:40 PM »
Does this sound familiar, brothers and sisters?  Hot off the press:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/apr/16/02-olympic-venues-row-security-photography

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 01:58:15 PM »
Does this sound familiar, brothers and sisters?  Hot off the press:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/apr/16/02-olympic-venues-row-security-photography

That is only 20 miles away - so it is the 1D4/600 on a tripod then :)

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Re: Heading to London, mate? Better keep your lens cap on!
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