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D800 just took DXO Mark top spot...
« on: March 23, 2012, 10:56:50 AM »
Very impressive that the ISO score essentially matches the D4. Wow, just Wow.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/The-Nikon-D800-is-the-new-king-of-DxOMark-with-a-score-of-95
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D800 just took DXO Mark top spot...
« on: March 23, 2012, 10:56:50 AM »

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Re: D800 just took DXO Mark top spot...
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 11:16:56 AM »
Dxomark is getting hammered

Considering that it refers to a 36mp sensor the results are just insane. Congrats to the engineering team behind it.

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2012, 11:55:34 AM »
great news..canon already lost me..my first FF (D800) camera going to be the best one

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2012, 12:00:01 PM »
great news..canon already lost me..my first FF (D800) camera going to be the best one

Then why are you posting here?
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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2012, 12:05:26 PM »
great news..canon already lost me..my first FF (D800) camera going to be the best one

Then why are you posting here?

to let the people know ;D

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2012, 12:09:18 PM »
This is a really interesting result but I dont understand how the D800 can have an ISO performance almost as good as the D4 according to the DxO chart.  Image sample dont suggest that.

There must be something I am missing here!
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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2012, 12:10:25 PM »
So in case anyone from Canon is reading (or someone that knows someone at Canon), this is the kind of sensor performance we are (or should I say were!) expecting with the 5DIII.

From all of the early testing thus far, it is quite clear that the 5DIII will be nowhere near the D800 in terms of sensor performance.

Just improving low-light, high-iso a little bit is not enough. Just giving us more FPS is not enough.

Especially when Canon's #1 competitor has just released a camera that gives photographers everything that they were looking for in the 5DIII with the exception of higher shooting speed.

I'll give Canon until the end of the year before I jump ship, which effectively means I'm going to jump ship because they cannot release a new FF camera with a sensor to at least equal the D800 in less than a year. But for a good while, there is just going to be a feeding frenzy around the D800 so it will be hard to come by and deals non-existent.

And if I had of placed an order for a 5DIII and it had not yet shipped, I'd be ringing up right now and canceling that order because the testing thus far puts the D800 miles and miles ahead of the 5DIII in terms of sensor performance.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 12:16:38 PM by dilbert »

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2012, 12:15:05 PM »
Kudos to Nikon. Since the D800 beats the Phase One IQ180 according to this test, I suppose all the medium format guys will be switching to Nikon :)

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 12:17:31 PM »
dilbert, they also significantly improved the AF on the 5D3.

I feel the tests DxO runs is heavily biased towards Nikon anyways.  It's hard to believe not a single Canon camera is in the top 10, and the 7D isn't even in the top 50.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2012, 12:22:46 PM »
So the mkIII is going to get 96+ points!?!?!?!? :)

meh, I am still pissed off at Canon for making Canadian residents pay 300 more than our U.S. friends . . . . the $$ is even or above par by a penny, and last time I checked my money and "loyalty" to Canon was as good as our U.S. counterparts. Also, how on earth can Canon not add all the video bells and whistles on the mkIII, for that price.

The way I see it, people need to stop being so militant when it comes to defending either Nikon or Canon and actually think like consumers instead of trying to make up excuses for either company for god's sake. From one of the reviews posted on the news page, we get info that a mediocre camera has better video options/quality  than the mkIII, and aside from that the D800 has better video optionsthan the mkIII . . although the mkIII does appear to have better video output (?).

I am more comfortable with Canon, but that doesn't mean I have to be a donkey . . .

I am styill going to wait for the mkIII reviews on DP and DxO, and then make a desicion as to what to do. . . . . I have to make that decision since I am being forced to pay a premium for something that might be bested by a cheaper camera, etc etc etc. . . . I need to weigh things, and I don;t give a damn abouty either company's hoorays or fandom crap. . . . I just want products that make sense in every way as opposed to another manufacturer.  SO far it's still the mkIII, but my sights are on the 1Dx. . . .

more perspective:

"Overall score: 1st (95)
With its 4-point lead, the Nikon D800 has become the new sensor of reference — and with an unmatched quality-to-price ratio to boot: among the 8 top cameras, it is by far the least expensive (with an announced price of less than 3000 $)."
« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 12:39:27 PM by Orion »

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2012, 12:24:33 PM »
Haha V8 =)  As far as I can recall with the DxO goes, nikon's sensors, according to their tests, have always bested Canon's sensors, or at least in the last half decade or so... Whether it was D700 vs 5d2, 50D or 7D vs D300(s) or D90, etc... Coincidence?  maybe.  Bias based on testing method?  Maybe.  Nikon has better sensors?  maybe.  I definately am not going to start sensationalizing Canon or flaming DxO.  Frankly, if DxO tests the 5d3 and finds it better than the D800, i would be shocked.  But in the end, i think image quality on all these upper tier cameras are getting so good across the board that we are really splitting hairs with these numbers...  Do i think canon will release a big MP monster within 12-16 months?  I can definitely see it, after all they have a reputation for wanting to prove who's shlong is longer in that department, but in the end the 5d3 is a fine camera and I cant wait to shoot with mine.
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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2012, 12:28:50 PM »
dilbert, they also significantly improved the AF on the 5D3.

I feel the tests DxO runs is heavily biased towards Nikon anyways.  It's hard to believe not a single Canon camera is in the top 10, and the 7D isn't even in the top 50.

In the past they wrote an article on how the S95's sensor performed better than that of the D3s. Does that sound like bias towards Nikon to you?

They have no bias except towards good cameras. That Canon does not have any cameras in the top 10 says more about Canon than it does about DxO.

Haha V8 =)  As far as I can recall with the DxO goes, nikon's sensors, according to their tests, have always bested Canon's sensors, or at least in the last half decade or so... Whether it was D700 vs 5d2, 50D or 7D vs D300(s) or D90, etc... Coincidence?  maybe.  Bias based on testing method?  Maybe.  Nikon has better sensors?  maybe.  I definately am not going to start sensationalizing Canon or flaming DxO.  Frankly, if DxO tests the 5d3 and finds it better than the D800, i would be shocked.  But in the end, i think image quality on all these upper tier cameras are getting so good across the board that we are really splitting hairs with these numbers...  Do i think canon will release a big MP monster within 12-16 months?  I can definitely see it, after all they have a reputation for wanting to prove who's shlong is longer in that department, but in the end the 5d3 is a fine camera and I cant wait to shoot with mine.

Big MP monster is not enough. They also need to improve the quality of the output of the sensor right across the ISO range - exactly what they have not done (so far as we can tell) with the 5DIII.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 12:32:39 PM by dilbert »

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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2012, 12:28:50 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2012, 12:31:58 PM »
dilbert, they also significantly improved the AF on the 5D3.

I feel the tests DxO runs is heavily biased towards Nikon anyways.  It's hard to believe not a single Canon camera is in the top 10, and the 7D isn't even in the top 50.

That is the interesting thing. According to DXO the 7D sensor rates very poorly but I'm not sure I could tell the difference between it and the D7000 sensor in an actual image.

And I'm really confused by the DXO rating on ISO. The real world images do NOT reflect what those numbers are saying. Maybe it has to do with upscaling or whatever (I don't know much about that however). Maybe someone can explain better.
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Re: Nikon D800 tested at DxOMark, gets the #1 spot
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2012, 12:35:23 PM »
dilbert, they also significantly improved the AF on the 5D3.

I feel the tests DxO runs is heavily biased towards Nikon anyways.  It's hard to believe not a single Canon camera is in the top 10, and the 7D isn't even in the top 50.

That is the interesting thing. According to DXO the 7D sensor rates very poorly but I'm not sure I could tell the difference between it and the D7000 sensor in an actual image.

And I'm really confused by the DXO rating on ISO. The real world images do NOT reflect what those numbers are saying. Maybe it has to do with upscaling or whatever (I don't know much about that however). Maybe someone can explain better.

Exactly my point... we are getting to worked up with numbers and not enough on final output/quality.  We're splitting hairs. 
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