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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 12:50:32 PM »
This comes from someone that is probably the most accurate of any source with stuff months off from coming to market. Specs and the like are never decided this far in advance. I have heard there are multiple camera configurations in the wild right now.

If I had to wager, a 5D3 minus the AF, frame rate and build quality. $1999 anyone?

Sounds awfully like the current 5D mark 2... ::)

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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2012, 12:50:32 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2012, 12:51:34 PM »
There's no such thing as an "entry level" full-frame camera...makes zero sense marketing/business wise.  The Cine-DSLR will obviously be full-frame.  I can see a market for a 1DsMkIII-esque studio replacement in terms of a 3D/4D high MP monster but not suggesting that is coming, however much more market for that than cannibalizing the investment Canon has made in the 60D, 7D (7D II) etc. with a $2,400 full frame camera...UNLESS it shot only stills which would make no sense really given phones are shooting 1080P video now.  The 5D3 is the "entry-level" full-frame camera if you want to use that term; and the 1Dx is the flagship full-frame camera, certainly room in between them for a studio, high MP body.  There will not be a 5DX, that was a creation of this site I think, not seen anything from Canon on a "5DX", the Cine-4K DSLR is not going to be in the 5D line, it is meant for an entirely different market, the market it was announced at, Hollywood, with the C-300.  There will not be a <$3000 full frame camera from Canon this year, period...if ever.

The 5D Mark II will remain current into the fall, and for the moment it's entry level. It also sells extremely well after all these years. Reports I have from a few retailers is sales haven't slowed since the 5D3 was announced. If anything there was a surge in sales. There is definitely a market for a $2000 full frame camera.
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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2012, 12:51:51 PM »
New Full Frame

A suggestion that Canon will announce an “entry level” full frame camera in the fall of 2012. A true replacement to the 5D Mark II?
is the 5Dmk3 not a true replacement? is a step up in the scale compared to MK2 or down compared to MK2

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2012, 12:53:37 PM »
The big question is, how do you market an entry-level full-frame camera? If I'm an entry-level consumer that equates image quality to megapixel count, I'd expect a $2,000 camera to have substantially greater resolution than a $500 Rebel.

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2012, 01:00:21 PM »
"There will not be a NEW <$3000 full frame camera from Canon this year, period...if ever" I meant

Uhhh, the 5DII was $2699 originally, it's happened before, why is it impossible for it to happen again?
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2012, 01:18:48 PM »
There is no room for a 2000$ FF: the 5dmk2 is already at this place.
Canon won't spend money (research, production lines, testing, advertizing...) and time to replace an award-winning, best-selling product such as the 5dmk2.

I think I read somewhere that 5DII will be discontinued from sometime around the end of 2012. Don't remember where I read it. But I think it was from an official source, interview or other information. Anyway then would be place for a entrylevel-FF around 2000$.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2012, 01:22:26 PM »
My EOS Rebel G camera with a plastic mount and 3 focus points is "Full Frame" & can take L lenses!

I think Canon can easily make a full frame DSLR "entry level" if they want to.

I like how people act like a full frame 35mm sensor is the promise land, when in reality, it's just the old (small film) standard we're trying to get back to, and expect enlargements the size of billboards.

One day canon will make a full frame digital rebel and break boundaries- the same way they made the first affordable SLRs and first sub-1000 DSLRs.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2012, 01:30:14 PM »
Another thing:

Why would Canon make a 4K Cinema-focused DSLR, a DSLR?

Why the need for the "R"? and optical viewfinder? Isn't the camera always going to be in live view with the mirror up?

Isn't that a waste of cost and space? If photography is secondary on that camera, I don't get the design.

And why the 1 series body with vertical grip? So odd.

Wouldn't it make more sense as a mirror less camera that had an articulating EVF, an ergonomics more like a small medium format camera?
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2012, 01:32:55 PM »
That would bring about 4 new full frame cameras in the span of about a year if we include the coming 4K DSLR. Most assume that will be a full frame camera.

I don't think it will be full frame. It wouldn't make sense. Super35 format has a 24,89mm width, while the height varies according to the aspect ratio (1:78, 1:85, 2:35). Making it full frame would make it an odd size, and wouldn't be able to use most of the PL lenses, since they're built for that image circle.
This is why the 7D is more used for low-end pro filming than the 5D (at least here in Argentina, and that's what I do for a living), the sensor size resembles more S35 than a "full frame" one.
At most, it'll be APS-H, as the RED cameras, which crop down to actual S35 when recording video.
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2012, 01:36:05 PM »
well.... it makes sense
lots of megapixels + entry level camera

if you get what i mean :P  ;D
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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2012, 01:36:54 PM »
To those saying why do we need an new entry level full frame when we have the 5D2, I think the point is the 5D2 can't be around forever. It is time to move on.

And why entry level full frame? In the very long term mirrorless will eat away at the low end APS-C models. I think DSLRs will survive, but will be pushed higher end where current mirrorless systems have not gone, excluding the odd ball Leica anyway.

Spec wise, there is little for Canon to cut from a 5D3. It has to move on from the 5D2 otherwise there's no point, but you can't squeeze the 5D3 either.

The easy guesses would be on Digic 5. Limited to up to perhaps 4fps. Sensor derived/recycled from 1D X or 5D3 depending on how they want to play the numbers game. AF... would they go as low as keeping the 5D2 system? Or perhaps put in a 7D like system? Body style, somewhere between the 7D and 5D3. I can't see the 5D2 body kept, but they might not offer all the trimmings of the 5D3.
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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2012, 01:37:24 PM »
A mirrorless is only interesting if it has a full frame sensor and great ISO performance.

I hope you read this, Canon.

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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2012, 01:40:19 PM »
Possibly stills only ff model?

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« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 01:53:21 PM »
Yay !  Here comes the 9D after all ;-)

I'm still thinking a crippled 18mpx FF sensor from the 1Dx, with crippled AF in a 5DIII body...   Priced lower than the better spec AF and speed 7DII which would remain as crop and who knows what Mpx
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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 02:12:58 PM »
What’s CR2 - Mirrorless Announcement and/or New Full Frame? two new cameras, shouldn’t that be two separate CR2’s or maybe one mirrorless full frame EF!! Leica watch your back wohoo  If it’s a DSLR then forget the ‘entry level’ tag I still believe there is space for an amateur enthusiasts stills photographers FF, spec as 60D (9 cross-type AF points) lets call it a 6D

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