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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2012, 02:17:20 AM »
I'm somewhat puzzled by Nikon's approach to pricing of the D800. I'd really like to know how they kept it at that price when it should have gone up.

I suspect they're doing one of two things:
1) selling with a really really low margin
2) using it as a loss leader for more lens sales where they turn a profit
... both of these are to try and (re)gain market presence that they lost to Canon with the 5D Mark II.

The 5DIII will very likely drop to $3000 as early as this fall, thus matching the D800 in price.

When this happens, do you think:
1) Canon will be selling the 5DIII with a really low margin
2) The 5DIII will be a loss leader
3) Even at $3000, Canon will still make a hefty profit

If you think the correct answer is 3), why do you feel 1) and 2) apply to Nikon but not Canon ??? ?
Also, do you think the 5DII, currently selling for $2200, is a loss leader for Canon?
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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2012, 02:17:20 AM »

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« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2012, 06:23:51 AM »

Thats sorta my point - why would Canon want to venture into the M4/3 system, rather than sticking with and using what they already have? m4/3 or nothing seems... counterintuitive.

To make a  compact mirrorless, they'll need to create a new mount. Flange distance of EF and EF-S doesn't work for a compact mirrorless.

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« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2012, 06:37:33 AM »
New Mount really sux if one day all they got is mirrorless. What to do with my lenses :(

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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2012, 04:39:08 AM »
The 5DIII will very likely drop to $3000 as early as this fall, thus matching the D800 in price.

... and at the same time, the D800 will drop $500, too.

I don't think the 5d3 will ever sell at the exact price as the competitor, because this would be the proof that Canon overestimated their new body and/or underestimated Nikon in the first place and their marketing department won't allow this to happen.

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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #184 on: March 31, 2012, 06:34:59 AM »
The 5DIII will very likely drop to $3000 as early as this fall, thus matching the D800 in price.

... and at the same time, the D800 will drop $500, too.

I don't think the 5d3 will ever sell at the exact price as the competitor, because this would be the proof that Canon overestimated their new body and/or underestimated Nikon in the first place and their marketing department won't allow this to happen.

At the moment the D800 is going UP in price in the UK.  They have increased the price by £200 saying that the first price was an error.  That was what the dealer I bought the mkIII from told me. 

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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #185 on: March 31, 2012, 06:42:55 AM »
At the moment the D800 is going UP in price in the UK.

Interesting to know - so maybe it'll contradict Canon "the 5d3 is worth the price tag" marketing the other way around soon :-p

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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #186 on: April 01, 2012, 06:04:19 AM »
i was waiting for the 5d3 and wanted it to be my entry into the FF world. all my lenses make much more sense on FF (as do all L lenses anyway). what I did not know is that it has no remote flash capability built in like my current 60D has and that is one feature that I got used to so well. somehow i always thought that the 5D has an IR transmitter build in to control external flashes... that really is a no go for me as I don't want to have a frankestein camera, it also takes a lot of spontaneity when at home. I want flash on, or flash off and no fiddle with devices in between. there is a huge price gap between the 5d3 and the 7d, enough room for another FF cam. maybe they release the 7d2 and a 7d2s, one with crop, one with ff sensor!?



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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #186 on: April 01, 2012, 06:04:19 AM »

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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #187 on: April 01, 2012, 06:21:44 AM »
i was waiting for the 5d3 and wanted it to be my entry into the FF world. all my lenses make much more sense on FF (as do all L lenses anyway). what I did not know is that it has no remote flash capability built in like my current 60D has and that is one feature that I got used to so well.
Not all L lenses make sense for full frame, esp. older ones are said to be better on crop due to problems in the corners that are cut off on aps-c!

I like the built-in flash of my 60d, too - but I have to say since it does not support high speed sync I seldom use it nowadays except for macro fill flash. The 5d3 obviously was designed having the new radio flashes in mind and thus a legacy ir controller would be superfluous from Canon's strategical point of view. I just read you cannot even assign flash exposure compensation to a button - doh.

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« Reply #188 on: April 01, 2012, 08:57:07 AM »
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Not all L lenses make sense for full frame, esp. older ones are said to be better on crop due to problems in the corners that are cut off on aps-c!

I like the built-in flash of my 60d, too - but I have to say since it does not support high speed sync I seldom use it nowadays except for macro fill flash. The 5d3 obviously was designed having the new radio flashes in mind and thus a legacy ir controller would be superfluous from Canon's strategical point of view. I just read you cannot even assign flash exposure compensation to a button - doh.

the focal lengths make more sense IMO for a FF. take the popular 24-70 or 105 (have the latter), I would not need an additional ultra wide angle to compensate the crop, 24 on a crop is just not wide enough. with a crop sensor, you always have to carry one additional lens.

I don't use the built in flash of my 60D other than the odd fill flash, but I use it a lot to remote control my external flash. would be great if canon would have packed remote flash capabilities straight inside the body, if not IR, then the new RF tech; would even make sense from a marketing point of view as this would push sails of their new flash. if it were built in i would probably have a 5d3 on order by now.

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Re: Mirrorless Camera & New Full Frame Coming Second Half 2012? [CR2]
« Reply #189 on: April 01, 2012, 12:30:38 PM »
I don't use the built in flash of my 60D other than the odd fill flash, but I use it a lot to remote control my external flash. would be great if canon would have packed remote flash capabilities straight inside the body, if not IR, then the new RF tech

The question is if this is possible at all to put a radio transmitter into a metal body and make it work like the flash-mounted version. With IR it's no problem of course.

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« Reply #190 on: April 01, 2012, 12:54:11 PM »
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The question is if this is possible at all to put a radio transmitter into a metal body and make it work like the flash-mounted version. With IR it's no problem of course.

must be, my latop has an alluminium shell and wifi still works. prob depends on where you place the antenna, don't need to burry it deep inside.

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« Reply #191 on: April 01, 2012, 01:04:46 PM »
must be, my latop has an alluminium shell and wifi still works. prob depends on where you place the antenna, don't need to burry it deep inside.

... question is: does your laptop have a *full* metal body like the 5d3, or is it more decoration with some parts left out where the antenna is? In my laptop, the antenna is in the lcd display - and that's certainly plastic over here.

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« Reply #192 on: April 01, 2012, 01:42:52 PM »
same here, i guess a laptop has more peepholes than that forged body of the 5d3, still, I bet it would be possible, maybe behind the display, or between the body and the coating. if it were reducing the range they could even still sell the externa transmitter for peeps that need extended range. anyway, its one feature that other bodies offer and there will always be people (e.g. me) that will miss them.

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« Reply #192 on: April 01, 2012, 01:42:52 PM »

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« Reply #193 on: April 04, 2012, 03:33:05 AM »
Hei!

I would definitely get the 60D if these are your only 2 options.  I am sure it is a grat camera to start, kind of in the "semi-pro" or "advanced" categories. Will do great for a beginner and you will have fun. I myself bought an used 10D 7 years ago and still works perfectly. it has been a great way to learn and it is still able to take great pics with the right lenses. I am maybe too cheap but I do not see the point in spending 3500 dollars in a body only when you are just starting... 60 D and some good lenses instead. In the future you'll have the money to buy a good full frame if you feel like to.

Another option is to grab a used or new 5D Mark II. Which is what I am trying to do.. you can  get it for 1500 dollars in good condition and I am sure is a great camera... I almost got one yesterday here in Finland for 1250 euros.... a pity that I could not bid in the auction!

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« Reply #194 on: May 15, 2012, 06:29:20 PM »
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A suggestion that Canon will announce an “entry level” full frame camera in the fall of 2012. A true replacement to the 5D Mark II?I am wondering why Canon should spend valuable R&D time on making an entry level full-frame .... 22mpx, and crippled this features and that features????!!! Shouldn't the current 5D mkII not good enough? All Canon has to do is drop the price to $1,000 for 5DmkII to stamp off Nikon D600!

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« Reply #194 on: May 15, 2012, 06:29:20 PM »