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5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« on: March 27, 2012, 07:03:59 PM »
So I spent about 8 hours doing this last night
3 tests, all ISO 100

test 1 - the AF micro adjust method using the canon utility
test 2 - shooting a test chart off a tripod
test 3 - handholding a shot to confirm

all tests using center point only
I also turned off the in camera lens correction stuff
anyway all the exif data is there

test 1 and 2 lit by 4 5500K constant lights & shoot through umbrellas
test 3 ambient tungsten light at night

lenses tested
16-35 f2.8 II
50mm 1.4
Sigma 85mm 1.4
100 f2.8L IS Macro
70-200 f2.8L IS II
300 f4L (i had to bump iso on test 3 up to 800 for these being hand held)

I didnt test the 24-105 because my wife was out and had the lens but i will do it and add it in

during this i discovered to my horror that the kenko DGX teleplus 1.4 teleconverter does not work on the 5Dmk3
nice of canon to kill that for me :(  :'(

Overall I feel the images are sharper however I think the 5Dmk2 still beats the 5Dmk3
I have not done any detailed manual focusing tests yet and havent done any more AI servo tests using the 70-200 yet either... maybe tonight.

Anyway happy downloading and comparing.

https://rapidshare.com/files/2532280826/5D2-300_1.4-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/688365335/5D2-300_1.4-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/293818645/5D2-1635-35-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1900808145/5D2-1635-35-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3450698187/5D2-1635-35-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/998887751/5D2-1636-16-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/866433089/5D2-1636-16-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2583949155/5D2-1636-16-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1349004263/5D2-3004-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/531251974/5D2-3004-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3518966774/5D2-3004-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1402064248/5D2-5014-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2698699281/5D2-5014-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1539125355/5D2-5014-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1516336128/5D2-8514-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1265030667/5D2-8514-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3764730766/5D2-10028-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2542397230/5D2-10028-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2887136406/5D2-10028-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1684830024/5D2-70200-70-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2058375265/5D2-70200-70-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2108573414/5D2-70200-70-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2642938368/5D2-70200-200-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2365621055/5D2-70200-200-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3294846887/5D2-70200-200-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4041552945/5D3-1635-35-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2756571199/5D3-1635-35-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/826883819/5D3-1635-35-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3823954061/5D3-1636-16-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/458182903/5D3-1636-16-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3094906950/5D3-1636-16-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/753049108/5D3-3004-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2390032328/5D3-3004-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2690616385/5D3-3004-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1194966321/5D3-5014-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/817624826/5D3-5014-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/1151533499/5D3-5014-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3404079805/5D3-8514-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/938434850/5D3-8514-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/2192175632/5D3-8514-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4287441507/5D3-10028-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/31147334/5D3-10028-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3339273579/5D3-10028-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4069088269/5D3-70200-70-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/383302158/5D3-70200-70-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/3045871511/5D3-70200-70-test3.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/193466436/5D3-70200-200-test1.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/865414958/5D3-70200-200-test2.CR2
https://rapidshare.com/files/4191357456/5D3-70200-200-test3.CR2
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5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2012, 08:11:16 PM »
What no ones interested in this, come on its only a measly 1GB or so of raw files :P
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 10:44:23 PM »
Provide a single .rar file ...nobody wants to hit RapidShare and wait X seconds for free users for each file.
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 10:46:37 PM »
Provide a single .rar file ...nobody wants to hit RapidShare and wait X seconds for free users for each file.

I did it that way in case people only wanted to get specific body lens combos and not download the whole gig
the filenames clearly show which body and which lens it is for

sheesh tough crowd, I'm not going to bother posting any more of my testing
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2012, 10:50:30 PM »
Thanks for posting. I couldn't view them all day (at work = no photoshop nor access to file sharing sites). I'm going to try to use a DL manager to hopefully grab them overnight.

Can you elaborate on "Overall I feel the images are sharper however I think the 5Dmk2 still beats the 5Dmk3"?

Meaning the 3 is sharper given equivalent glass (maybe due to the slight resolution increase), but the 2 is better elsewhere (DR, color, etc)?
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2012, 10:58:03 PM »
Give us your summary of the results.  Then we will download them go over them with a fine tooth comb, and nitpick them to death :)
 
Thanks for all the work, and I know its a lot of work that I've been putting off.  I've done just enough testing to satisfy myself that I can take very sharp and detailed images with my 5D MK III, and next, I need to adjust it for some of my too many lenses, and use it!!

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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 11:06:43 PM »
Executive summary:

I dont know if its still the raw converter being funny but I still think the 5D2 images are sharper, there is definately no mind blowing improvement at ISO100 at very best it's going to be line ball.
Before i started this test i did turn off all NR and the aberation reduction etc just incase any of that shinanigans affected the raws.

TEST 1 files are the best
TEST 2 shows this method of doing AFMA isnt the most accurate compared to test 1
TEST 3 just handheld shots as acheck most are at minimum shutter speed due to low light still I managed to keep it to iso 100 for all lenses except the 300f4L (they are a bit under exposed though)
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 11:06:43 PM »

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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2012, 01:40:21 AM »
Wickid, thanks for your work! You are spending hours of honorable effort! I admit I can't download your RAW files as I still can't open them, no ACR, no DPP, Aperture only. But don't think we are not listening!
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2012, 01:45:10 AM »
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/cameraraw6-7/

theres the link to the acr6.7
 
unless you mean you dont have CS5?
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2012, 02:53:17 AM »
Yowza!  Thanks for all your hard work!  Very much appreciated.  It's great you used a wide range of focal lengths.  I'm looking forward to downloading some of the files and doing a side by side.

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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2012, 03:44:21 AM »
Thank-you for the hard work.

I took a look at the 70-200 @ 70 Test 1 shots on a NEC PA241 wide gamut.

I notice that the white balance is different - the 5DmII at 4450 and the 5DmIII at 4600. 

Attached a couple crops from the same images, 5DmII on top, 5DmIII on bottom.   

Sharpness - They are very close, but I do see some artifact/pattern on the 5DmII side - especially in the "10" section.   Its slightly there on the 5DmIII.  Zoom up on the "9" and you'll see definite diagonal banding on the 5DmII.  To be fair, it looks like the shots were not exactly the same size as the 5DmIII looks a bit wider (see the right side lineup).

Color - Also very close, but the very subtle shading - the stain above the "S" and the blue stripes, look fuller / slightly more saturated on the 5DmIII.  The red blocks on the 5DmII look redder - could be the white balance.

Now this is just one sample crop.   Interested in other analysis.

Please note, I used Adobe DNG Converter to clean process the 5DmIII CR2's.  Its a clean convert I understand. 
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2012, 04:44:34 AM »
Did the same crop on Test 1 of the 100 / 2.8   Again, 5DmII on top, 5DmIII on bottom.

Sharpness looks the same (the 5DmIII shot is slightly wider).

Color - liking the color rendering on the 5DmIII. 

Note, White Balance 5DmII is 4350, 5DmIII is 4600.

Really really close at ISO 100.
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2012, 05:00:13 AM »
@Wicki - thanks for this work! It's good here to find such people sharing their time and effort. Great job!

From your overall impression I read it as you feel with 5d3 comparing to 5d2 like people with 7d comparing to 50d - very comparable image quality but improved usability like AF. Am I here right? Are you glad with your 5d3 or something dissapointed with image quality as far (comparing to 5d2)?
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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2012, 06:49:45 AM »
thanks, as I expected, little to no improvement at low ISOs. for us that prefer quality light to crappy low light, definitively not worth the extra price unless you really need the AF and speed.

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Re: 5D2 vs 5D3 ISO100 around 50 test raws
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 06:55:44 AM »
So the takeaway here seems to be... if you are going to be using the camera in-studio with controlled lighting and f-stops undemanding of autofocus abilities, you're not going to gain a lot for your extra $1400. That's completely fair.

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