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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2014, 01:00:37 PM »
1) Do you see any benefits of using the omni-bounce on the MT-24EX? I think it's there in your setup, but I wonder about its effectiveness taking into account the suggested use of the omni-bounce versus the nature of macro lighting.

2) I really like the idea of the extension bracket for background light. Have you experienced any problems with line-of-sight contact getting the flash to fire?

3) I've been tempted by the MP-E 65mm for a while. Do you use the use Canon's hood on it? If so, what's your experience, particularly if attaching the MT-24 EX directly to the lens with the ring adapter?

1) Benefits are probably minor in terms of direct light on the subject.  Relative to the size of the subject at the distance from the flash heads, even the small heads of the MT-24EX as bare flash are like taking a portrait of a person with a 6-foot softbox - you're going to get soft light regardless.  But the diffusers do throw a little but of that light in other directions, which can be helpful.

2) I haven't had any issues triggering the slave 600 using the MT-24EX as an optical master.  You do need to make sure the slave sensor (the black 'window' above red panel for the AF assist lamp on the flash) is not pointed completely away from the twin flash.  I wonder if having the StoFen diffusers throwing some light around from the twin flash heads actually helps there, particularly with non-reflective subjects?

3) I have Canon's little hood for it…I use it when I've got the twin flash heads on the Wimberley F-2 brackets, but not when I'm mounting the flash directly to the lens.  The reason for that is that I use a filter (B+W MRC) on the lens.  Without getting into a whole debate on protection value vs. IQ of filters, I'll say that with the extremely short working distance of the MP-E 65 at high mag, with that lens in particular things are likely to come into contact with the front element (despite it's small size).  I'm often shoving the front of the lens into bushes, so the hood wouldn't offer too much protection.  As you may be aware, the twin flash can mount directly onto the lens barrel, and the hood can be screwed into the filter threads at the end of the barrel.  But, if you put a clear/UV filter on the threads, you can no longer mount the twin flash holder ring directly to the barrel.  Instead, I use a Macrolite 58C adapter (normally used to mount the twin flash to a 58mm-threaded lens without the ridge for it, like the old 100mm non-USM macro or a PowerShot G-series).  The adapter screws onto the front threads of the UV filter, and the flash mounts to that.  However, the Macrolite adapter doesn't have threads for the little hood.  So, given the choice between the limited protection offered by the hood but direct flash mounting vs. good protection with a filter but no hood with direct flash mounting, I chose the latter.

Hope that helps...
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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2014, 01:00:37 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2014, 02:14:08 PM »
Hope that helps...

Most definitively! Thanks for all the info and tips. Good point about light perhaps bouncing a bit and helping communication with the master. I've used the 600EX as a background light on a stand, which works fine with macros of static subjects, but I like the idea of a more portable solution. I've run into some of the issues you described at the end of your post while using the 100mm macro with the MT-24EX. That made me wonder about the usefulness of the hood, so it's great to have your take on that.

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2014, 08:19:25 PM »
I own a pair of Wimberley macro brackets myself but almost never use them with my MP-E 65 + MT-24EX.  Usually in the field I am trying to minimize the size of my lighting because otherwise it bumps into everything.

I started with the Stofen diffusers + the MP-E 65 hood (many don't know there is an actual hood for it - and I consider it essential).  They are OK and do well in tight environments, but for most cases I use these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-MT-24EX-Flash-Diffusers-/271382364150?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_CameraAccessories_CameraFlashUnits_JN&hash=item3f2fa63ff6.

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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2014, 02:43:06 AM »
A few from my favourite macro lens ...


Yellow by ncsabkk, on Flickr


Bee by ncsabkk, on Flickr


Dragonfly by ncsabkk, on Flickr


Dragonfly by ncsabkk, on Flickr
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2014, 02:54:46 AM »
A few from my favourite macro lens ...
Fantastic images. I have problems getting to 1:1 with the 100mm. How do you get this close, without scaring off the insects?
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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2014, 03:14:48 AM »
Thanks ... it is taken a while to learn how to be patient and simply watch where they move about and quietly get to them... The challenge is not to bump surrounding plants and not cast a shadow over them.

This was the setup for these shots except the dragon wings which was daylight only - was lucky with that as a very patient dragon who hung there for some time, plus Dragons will return back to the same spot if they are not too startled and ignore you after a while...


Macro light setup by ncsabkk, on Flickr

I have changed this a bit to save some weight so now use Godox V850 strobe with wireless control and removed some metal support.. in the field I am always hand-holding with maybe the support of a monopod with a mini-ball head to help take more of the weight but nothing fixed as you need to be flexible and quick for their movements.


Macro setup by ncsabkk, on Flickr

Some honey water  ... and not breathing during shutter release .. helps too :-)

A few from my favourite macro lens ...

Fantastic images. I have problems getting to 1:1 with the 100mm. How do you get this close, without scaring off the insects?
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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2014, 04:32:56 AM »
These Pics reminds me to use this lens again. When I bought it, around 2001 or so, I was a little bit frustrated. I thought it could be used like an normal macro lens (like my 100mm2.8 or ma 180mm 3.5). But it was a little bit more difficult... So I had to buy a lot more equipment. A micro-adjustment glider (Einstellschlitten), a adjustable flash-holder for 2 flashes, and an 2 headed flash-system (all from Novoflex uniset, auto-duo-flash,...) ... A lot of money, but I was not satisfied, because the flash was not bright enough to bring enough light into the picture at a 3-5x magnification. Especially, when the insects were not resting long enough, or the wind was moving the objects... So it was hard work to get sharp pictures on the film (Eos 1V and Eos 3).
Using the 7D and 60D was more satisfying, but there was much vignetting. But now, the 6D will be a game-changer in this topic. Thanks for reminding to use it again. I just opened the dusty box with the since 2011 resting MPE65 and all of the macro-equipment inside.

One question please: I think the Novoflex uniset will be able to carry an light flash. If not, which external flashholder to buy? and which "flash softbox?
I think an omnibouncer on the flash will bring to hard light on the objects.




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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2014, 04:53:37 AM »
These Pics reminds me to use this lens again.  <snip>
One question please: I think the Novoflex uniset will be able to carry an light flash. If not, which external flashholder to buy? and which "flash softbox?
I think an omnibouncer on the flash will bring to hard light on the objects.


Yes you should get back into it   :) the lens is great but takes time to master.

For static setups I would simply use larger strobes in some soft boxes to get the light required at up to 5x

This is near 5x

Green by ncsabkk, on Flickr

from this at about 1x

Yellow by ncsabkk, on Flickr

using these lights Godox AD360


setup by ncsabkk, on Flickr

For portability I like the blue flexible holder as is light, strong and is cheap (if in US) as you can order from Loc Line direct and make it yourself .. use the 3/4"
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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2014, 08:33:44 AM »
Interesting post, even I have bought this lens. But for last 3 months I am stuck with work and haven't still used this lens since. Its still in the original box so is the 270ex II which I bought for lighting.  :(

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Re: Canon MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2014, 09:33:41 AM »
This was the setup for these shots except the dragon wings which was daylight only - was lucky with that as a very patient dragon who hung there for some time, plus Dragons will return back to the same spot if they are not too startled and ignore you after a while...

I have changed this a bit to save some weight so now use Godox V850 strobe with wireless control and removed some metal support.. in the field I am always hand-holding with maybe the support of a monopod with a mini-ball head to help take more of the weight but nothing fixed as you need to be flexible and quick for their movements.

Could you expand on some of the specifics about the gear attached to the camera/lens and that is holding and attached to the flash?

Looks like the same bracket is used to attach to the bottom of the lens or camera (with the aluminum finish button/lever) in both photos.
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2014, 09:33:41 AM »