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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #60 on: April 02, 2012, 12:30:52 PM »
Ånd Canon is further proving my point...

The 24-70  II will not.meet the 17th of April deadline stated by Canon.

What the hell is your point ??????
Don't like Canon ?
Don't buy Canon !

Whining is not going to help you. Is it ???

You still don't get the point? lol. I said vapor-ware... Nothing can be bought, it's only released..
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #61 on: April 02, 2012, 12:49:28 PM »
Ånd Canon is further proving my point...

The 24-70  II will not.meet the 17th of April deadline stated by Canon.

What the hell is your point ??????
Don't like Canon ?
Don't buy Canon !

Whining is not going to help you. Is it ???

You still don't get the point? lol. I said vapor-ware... Nothing can be bought, it's only released..

Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2012, 12:57:39 PM »
My MK3 is slightly sharper than my MK2.  Not by much, but it's definitely not softer

Others have reported the same.  I wonder if there's just some variance between copies
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2012, 12:58:50 PM »
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years and are still ongoing!
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2012, 01:01:38 PM »
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.


You probably know this already, but there are lenses that breathe at different apertures. The 50mm f/1.2L is probably the most notorious in this regard. If using the MFA scale, the difference between f/1.2 and f/4-f/5.6 on my copy is about 10 steps.

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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2012, 01:01:44 PM »
From the week I have had with the 5Dmk3 I can safely say I feel the sensor is fantastic. At narrow apertures and shooting with strobes the images are razor sharp.

open up that aperture and shoot ambient light on my copy and it all goes to hell. My copy definately has a nutty AF, i am glad many others are reporting joy with theirs so I'll see if I can get another copy and give it a whirl.

I'd rather have the 5Dmk2 AF over the AF on my copy of the 5Dmk3 (at least I can rely on the center point of on that camer!)

I'm a bit disapointed, taking it back today I hope I can get a replacement within a week sinc ei'm going overseas and would like to use the mk3
wicked, what lenses, apertures, focus points and shooting mode are you using? They all work together but they are very specific in application. Never use servo with big glass, use spot af primarily for static subjects, use spot af for most everything for things moving rapidly use focus with assist points. You prob know all that but i just dont get how you are experiencing this other than you need to micro adjust your lenses to the body or that you possibly have a bad copy, electronics aren't perfect, some get thru to the consumers even when tested in factory to be working properly. I hope you get things worked out because with what i have been getting in testing is excellent. I dont have any gigs at the moment so dont expect to see samples at this time. :)
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2012, 01:01:54 PM »
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever)....
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2012, 01:01:54 PM »

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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2012, 01:11:23 PM »
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever).... they sure are making it hard to feel like getting the 5D3....

Thanks! Appriciate the support.
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2012, 01:15:57 PM »
Never use servo with big glass...

Shhhh...don't let all those guys on the sidelines with big white lenses in on your secret to getting crisp shots...    ::)
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2012, 01:17:13 PM »
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever).... they sure are making it hard to feel like getting the 5D3....

Thanks! Appriciate the support.

The fact that there was an earthquake and tsunami in Japan + floods in Thailand doesn't lend any sympathy?

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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2012, 01:56:29 PM »
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years...

The $400 kit discount on a pro kit 5D3 is also pushed back to July now (if they even bother with it now ever).... they sure are making it hard to feel like getting the 5D3....

Thanks! Appriciate the support.

The fact that there was an earthquake and tsunami in Japan + floods in Thailand doesn't lend any sympathy?

This isn't about empathy for the poor people and their family affected. I saw a picture of a main road in Japan after the earthquake and again a picture taken 14 days after, and the road looked like it was just built and clean as a whistle, well, it was, reconstructed in TWO weeks... They can still blame the earthquake and also the flood, but then they can go out and say "hey, this has affected us, and the planned releases will be pushed back" and skipped the announcement all together, BUT they keep telling us about these amazing products that no one can get their hands on. THAT's the problem......

And the only products they in fact have released seem to have all kinds of errors, and faults....
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2012, 02:08:41 PM »
On a side note, it looks there is a second OLPF in the 5DM3.

Filmmaker, James Miller has removed it and is seeing a significant increase in sharpness on the Mark III.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?278918-Canon-5d-mark-iii-improved-olpf-removed-for-higher-resolution

http://twitter.com/#!/millerandmiller

http://philipbloom.net/2012/04/01/a-drastic-solution-to-increasing-sharpness-with-the-5dmkiii/


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He mentions that it is working awesome for stills as well though I haven't seen any raw images being posted yet.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out. 

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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2012, 02:30:57 PM »
On a side note, it looks there is a second OLPF in the 5DM3.

Yes and no.  The confusion comes from the fact that what we call the 'anti-aliasing' filter actually has two components that are essentially polarizers, one oriented horizontally and one oriented vertically.  The two filters are separate within the assembly, with a 1/4-wave plate in between (necessary to convert the linearly-polarized light from the first filter into circularly-polarized light, else no light would get through the second filter, like when you orient a pair of linear polarizers at 90° to each other, the same principle that variable ND filters use). 



The horizontal layer of the AA filter, 1/4-wave plate (what Canon calls the 'phaser layer') and the IR cut filter are bonded together, and this assembly is what vibrates for the 'self-cleaning sensor'.  The vertical layer of the AA filter is bonded to the sensor itself (well, on top of the microlens array, which sits on top of the Bayer mask, which sits on top of the sensor). 
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2012, 02:31:00 PM »
Woah, one delay and you declare vapor-ware. That's strict.

Try counting again...

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed

For the 500 and 600mm supertele lenses, the delays have exceeded 1.5 years and are still ongoing!

Delays for separate products don't constitute "vapor-ware". Vaporware implies that the announced product might not actually exist.

EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II - delayed once (maybe)
EOS 1D X - delayed
EF 600mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 500mm f/4L IS II - delayed
EF 400mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II - delayed but now released
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye - delayed but now released
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Re: Is 5DIII softer than 5DII?
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2012, 02:38:41 PM »
Delays for separate products don't constitute "vapor-ware". Vaporware implies that the announced product might not actually exist.

Vaporware: Products announced far in advance of any release (which may or may not actually take place).  Vaporware is in the eye of the beholder, or not visible to the eye of the beholder, as the case may be. 

The bottom line remains the same, whatever jargon you want to use - in the last 2-3 years, Canon has a terrible track record of getting their announced high end photo gear into the marketplace on schedule.
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