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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2012, 06:21:42 AM »
Needs moar VIVID.

Thanks for the feedback. How about the image overall? Is the subject, lighting, and composition uninspiring enough?

The half lens cap is a little too radical on the composition front........
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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2012, 06:21:42 AM »

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2012, 10:16:43 AM »
You guys entirely have the wrong idea. You obsess about the little details of what he says and miss the bigger picture. People like him are good to listen to - you'll get ideas and see things in a way differently from anybody else. Maybe you only use a little of what he says, maybe nothing, but maybe it gets you to think differently and see photography from a different viewpoint for a while.

For example, last week I came across his articles about wide angle lenses and tripods. First on tripods, since then I've been really thinking - why do I carry a tripod around? Is it really necessary? Am I over using it, under using it? On wide angles - which I've always preferred - these are the first articles that I've found which talked the same reasons about why I like them.

People that say controversial things are more interesting than most, and at best you'll learn something new, and at worst you'll be entertained.

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #77 on: April 07, 2012, 01:44:27 PM »
Needs moar VIVID.

Thanks for the feedback. How about the image overall? Is the subject, lighting, and composition uninspiring enough?

The half lens cap is a little too radical on the composition front........

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2012, 01:58:45 PM »
You guys entirely have the wrong idea. You obsess about the little details of what he says and miss the bigger picture. People like him are good to listen to - you'll get ideas and see things in a way differently from anybody else?

I have no problem with people that "see things differently," but Mr. Rockwell often "sees things differently" because he doesn't know what he's talking about. How can anyone read something like "pro don't use mid-range zooms" and still take this guy seriously? Apparently, someone who takes overly saturated snapshots of a picnic bench with a $3,000 camera is qualified to speak on behalf of all pros.   

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People that say controversial things are more interesting than most, and at best you'll learn something new, and at worst you'll be entertained.

What he says isn't controversial. It's jut ill-informed and ignorant. So Ken's clearly an enthusiasts who just loves tinkering with photo gear, and has no skills to back it up. There's nothing wrong with that. However, I've never come across anyone who produces such underwhelming work that tries to speak so authoritatively on any subject matter.

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2012, 02:40:37 PM »
How can anyone read something like "pro don't use mid-range zooms" and still take this guy seriously?

Quite clearly amateurs use mid range zooms, therefore pros dont.

Not too sure what he means by mid range - I would say the 70-200 is a mid range - wow, pros dont use this :o :o :o

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2012, 02:48:06 PM »
How can anyone read something like "pro don't use mid-range zooms" and still take this guy seriously?

Quite clearly amateurs use mid range zooms, therefore pros dont.

Not too sure what he means by mid range - I would say the 70-200 is a mid range - wow, pros dont use this :o :o :o

Good point. Let's say a ridiculous blanket statement like "pros don't use mid-range zooms" was actually true. Who cares? Does that mean hobbyists shouldn't use them just because pros don't? Please. If you need a mid-range zoom, or any other type of lens for that matter, get it. Who cares what a pro uses? If I saw a pro carry around hemorrhoid medication in his camera bag, does that mean that I should too :o?

I've said this before, but I see lots of hobbyists that have nicer gear that pros. So maybe it's the pros that look at their gear enviously, and not the other way around ;D
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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2012, 03:07:57 PM »
If I saw a pro carry around hemorrhoid medication in his camera bag, does that mean that I should too :o?

Those are the pills with the red ring thing - oh no what have I been taking  :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2012, 03:30:37 PM »
You are missing the point.  For whatever reason, he wants things simple when it comes to photography.  He doesn't want to spend more time or money on HDR, GPS, video, etc.  He wants to take pictures.  He doesn't want to have to reconfigure buttons or deal with multiple menus.  The most informative video I've watched on photography is Jay Maisel's walk through NYC with Scott Kelby. I would say he echoes almost all of Rockwell's essential photography points.  He doesn't want to change lenses, carry a tripod, use photoshop, or even crop the images.  This is the type of pro Rockwell refers to.  He explicitly does mention that wedding photographers use the 24-70.  When he's talking about pros he's talking about people like Maisel and Gursky.  Whether you like it or not, you're not going to see a Trey Ratcliffe print in the Met.  You aren't going to see one by your favorite wedding photographer either.

And Rockwell is without a doubt the least biased site on the web.  He reviews things honestly and like a photographer.  If I had read his review of the Sony A55 before I read David Pogue's, I would have saved a lot of money.  Most of these magazines and websites sugarcoat everything.  Read about how upset he was at the D800.  Just as upset as the Canon 5D III. His point about switching camera brands based on megapixels was spot on.  I would say the only thing he doesn't get is sports photography, which he readily admits.  If you don't know much about art theory and composition, his site is invaluable. 
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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2012, 03:42:53 PM »
From my perspective, this is pointless.
I'm not even clicking anymore on a link, from a reviewer, who is not even taking his time to fully read a manual.
I have lost all respect for Ken.
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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #84 on: April 07, 2012, 05:04:13 PM »
Ken Rockwell is just one of the more well known retards on the web that think they know better than photographers that actually own and use any camera, lens or peripheral accessory. There are a ton of other dingbats like him on youtube to boot. I even ended up wasting my time trying to argue with some kid on youtube that was saying that he bought a 5DmkII because the 5DmkIII was not worth it, not significantly improved over the 5DmkII, and too expensive considering that he wanted and pre-ordered a Nikon D800...  He then went on to saying that he cancelled his D800 pre-order and bought a 5DmkII. How can someone feel that they need the resolution of a D800 and then say that the 5DmkII fills the the same niche in the market? And then go on the claim that the 5DmkIII is the same as a mkII? I argued that I was basing my opinion on my user experience between the mkII and mkIII but got flamed by this kid that I didn't know what I was talking about. All kinds of loonies in this world lol   ???

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #85 on: April 07, 2012, 05:12:43 PM »
Too much time on your hands. I cannot imagine the brain hours some are devoting to the 5D3 and it's pros/cons. People need to be out shooting!

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2012, 05:50:27 PM »
ken rockwells a TIT

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2012, 06:05:06 PM »
ken rockwells a TIT

Clearly not a great tit though - they are good looking


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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2012, 06:59:55 PM »
You are missing the point.  For whatever reason, he wants things simple when it comes to photography.  He doesn't want to spend more time or money on HDR, GPS, video, etc.  He wants to take pictures. 

That's good, because based on the images he posts, he could sure use some more practice.

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He doesn't want to have to reconfigure buttons or deal with multiple menus.  The most informative video I've watched on photography is Jay Maisel's walk through NYC with Scott Kelby. I would say he echoes almost all of Rockwell's essential photography points.  He doesn't want to change lenses, carry a tripod, use photoshop, or even crop the images.

There's a solution for this. It's called a point-and-shoot. I don't like hauling around a ton of gear more than anyone else, but sometimes even after you pare things down to the bare minimum, you're still left with a lot of gear. With some jobs, there's no way around this. It's really very simple. Use a DSLR (or medium format if you're a high roller) for commissioned gigs, and bust out the point-and-shoot if you have an aversion to carrying gear around. I've tried this before, and it works quite well.

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This is the type of pro Rockwell refers to.

Not always. According to Ken, a 70-200 is the longest lens you need to shoot motorsports because that's what someone else told him. If Ken needs to rely on hearsay because he has no personal experience, that's fine. If that's the case, just don't go running you're mouth as if you know what you're talking about and have the nerve to speak on behalf of all pros.

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2012, 07:00:29 PM »
I have no problem with people that "see things differently," ... How can anyone read something like "pro don't use mid-range zooms" and still take this guy seriously?

One statement invalidates everything he says? No problem, if that is the case for you. To me 90% of what I see on the internet (and by proxy what people generally say) is drivel or wrong, maybe I just have a better crap filter.

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What he says isn't controversial. It's jut ill-informed and ignorant ... I've never come across anyone who produces such underwhelming work that tries to speak so authoritatively on any subject matter.

And he consistently has one of the top hits in Goog searches. Seems to be doing something right, even if Real Photographers don't like him.

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Re: Letter to Mr Rockwell in regards to his 5Dmkiii review
« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2012, 07:00:29 PM »