Should I buy a 5D3 or 1D4?

[stilscream]

Anyone considering 1d4 and 5d mk iii instead of  the 1dx?

[blufox]

Anyone considering 1d4 and 5d mk iii instead of  the 1dx?

Yeah I am considering a used 1D mkIV for my newly found bird photography hobby. It is insanely addictive, the push to get that best avain shots of bird is alluring.

Need to save money for 1DMkIV, can't afford 1DX with longer glass.
a 1DMkIV + 400 2.8 IS with 2X and 1.4X TCs, along with my 70-200 will serve me okay for some years I presume.
Wish I had the money to get a 1D4. Right 550D is not cutting it for BIF lol.

[Viggo]

What's your input?
Money isn't an issue since I've been saving for some time.

If you don't know which of the two to buy then you should be neither.

Why?

Because you don't understand your photography well enough to know what you actually need.

These cameras are so different that anyone that needs a 1D4 simply wouldn't consider a 5D3.

They aren't that different, and if someone asked abouth the 5d2 and mk4, your point is a valid one. However, coming from the 1d3 and 1d4 myself and now bought a 5d3, they are different in size and weight, but the AF of the 5d3 is way better than that on the mk4. IQ is much better, and also the goodness of fullframe. And a lot of the things of the 1-series is included in the 5d; MUCH less shutter lag, MUCH less blackout time, dual card slots, zoom in directly to 100% at the focuspoint used.customization of buttons, big bright 100% VF, better battery, I get 1000 shots. Setting auto-iso range and use it in m-mode. New advanced codecs for video, audio-feedback, audio-level control. A dedicated switch between Servo and One shot, spot-af with all lenses. Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable). Proper placement and size of the dof-button. And I'm sure others will think of a few other things.

[altenae]

but the AF of the 5d3 is way better than that on the mk4. IQ is much better, and also the goodness of fullframe

+1

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I think its a moot point.  Can you find a new 1D MK IV to buy??  I actually like the 1.3 crop for giving my lenses a little more reach, but I'll stick with my 5D MK III or get a 1D X.  So far, for me, a 1D X doesn't have twice the value.  If it would focus with f/8 lenses, that might tip the balance.

[HarryWintergreen]

I would go for ff. You simply shoot better images when considering the scene through the ff angle.

[Daniel Flather]

What's your input?
Money isn't an issue since I've been saving for some time.

Pffft, man-up and buy both.

[briansquibb]

but the AF of the 5d3 is way better than that on the mk4. IQ is much better, and also the goodness of fullframe. And a lot of the things of the 1-series is included in the 5d; MUCH less shutter lag, MUCH less blackout time, dual card slots, zoom in directly to 100% at the focuspoint used.customization of buttons, big bright 100% VF, better battery, I get 1000 shots. Setting auto-iso range and use it in m-mode. New advanced codecs for video, audio-feedback, audio-level control. A dedicated switch between Servo and One shot, spot-af with all lenses. Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable). Proper placement and size of the dof-button. And I'm sure others will think of a few other things.

Please define 'way better AF' than the current AF king?

Shutter lag - you must be joking

"Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable)" - it is on the 1D4 which combined with the other settings gives the equivalent of M with EC

1000 shots per battery - I would be horrified if the 1D4 didn't get 2000

In fact in nearly everything the 5DIII struggles to match the 1D4

I notice you have left out the areas where the 1D4 walks over the 5DIII, ie fps, f/8 focussing, af point metering, 8 point af selection metering

The only point that the 5DIII scores is the point AF for all lens - is that a major dealmaker? Not for many I think

[briansquibb]

I would go for ff. You simply shoot better images when considering the scene through the ff angle.

 

[Canon-F1]

What's your input?
Money isn't an issue since I've been saving for some time.

if you can´t figure that out yourself.. depending on your needs, then maybe a 60D or 7D is enough for you?!

[altenae]

but the AF of the 5d3 is way better than that on the mk4. IQ is much better, and also the goodness of fullframe. And a lot of the things of the 1-series is included in the 5d; MUCH less shutter lag, MUCH less blackout time, dual card slots, zoom in directly to 100% at the focuspoint used.customization of buttons, big bright 100% VF, better battery, I get 1000 shots. Setting auto-iso range and use it in m-mode. New advanced codecs for video, audio-feedback, audio-level control. A dedicated switch between Servo and One shot, spot-af with all lenses. Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable). Proper placement and size of the dof-button. And I'm sure others will think of a few other things.

Please define 'way better AF' than the current AF king?

Shutter lag - you must be joking

"Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable)" - it is on the 1D4 which combined with the other settings gives the equivalent of M with EC

1000 shots per battery - I would be horrified if the 1D4 didn't get 2000

In fact in nearly everything the 5DIII struggles to match the 1D4

I notice you have left out the areas where the 1D4 walks over the 5DIII, ie fps, f/8 focussing, af point metering, 8 point af selection metering

The only point that the 5DIII scores is the point AF for all lens - is that a major dealmaker? Not for many I think

Try the 5D mark iii.
I have the 1d mark iv. I use it for BIF.
With the 5D mark iii at 6 fps I have more keepers then with the mark IV at 10fps.

Edward van Altena
www.wildlife-photos.net

[briansquibb]

Try the 5D mark iii.
I have the 1d mark iv. I use it for BIF.
With the 5D mark iii at 6 fps I have more keepers then with the mark IV at 10fps.

Edward van Altena
www.wildlife-photos.net

With a large white that is to be expected as the human needs more time to lock on the focus point at the right plsce on the subject. Therefore at 10fps I would expect less time locked on than at 6fps.

So the question is really - if you do a 2 sec burst do you get more keepers from the 5DIII or the 1D4?

When it was with film I would get nearly 100% keepers on single shot because I would only be pressing the button when I was locked on.

[Viggo]

Well, have you tried the 5d3?

[Viggo]

but the AF of the 5d3 is way better than that on the mk4. IQ is much better, and also the goodness of fullframe. And a lot of the things of the 1-series is included in the 5d; MUCH less shutter lag, MUCH less blackout time, dual card slots, zoom in directly to 100% at the focuspoint used.customization of buttons, big bright 100% VF, better battery, I get 1000 shots. Setting auto-iso range and use it in m-mode. New advanced codecs for video, audio-feedback, audio-level control. A dedicated switch between Servo and One shot, spot-af with all lenses. Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable). Proper placement and size of the dof-button. And I'm sure others will think of a few other things.

Shutter lag - you must be joking

59ms vs 55ms, I guess you can tell 4ms of difference?

And really, the difference in AF is pretty obvious when reading the specs, and way more obvious when actually using them.

[briansquibb]

but the AF of the 5d3 is way better than that on the mk4. IQ is much better, and also the goodness of fullframe. And a lot of the things of the 1-series is included in the 5d; MUCH less shutter lag, MUCH less blackout time, dual card slots, zoom in directly to 100% at the focuspoint used.customization of buttons, big bright 100% VF, better battery, I get 1000 shots. Setting auto-iso range and use it in m-mode. New advanced codecs for video, audio-feedback, audio-level control. A dedicated switch between Servo and One shot, spot-af with all lenses. Setting the lower shutter speed limit (although not fully customizeable). Proper placement and size of the dof-button. And I'm sure others will think of a few other things.

Shutter lag - you must be joking

59ms vs 55ms, I guess you can tell 4ms of difference?

And really, the difference in AF is pretty obvious when reading the specs, and way more obvious when actually using them.

I am not a spec peeper - I use the thing

It was you that brought up the reduced lag - "MUCH less shutter lag" - so I guess 4ms is critical to you

"Way more obvious" - in what way - I have been out shooting BIF  today and not noticed issues even though I was handholding the 400 f/4 (which is a sure way of reducing keepers)