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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #105 on: April 08, 2012, 12:05:07 PM »
Read this elsewhere.

Read it and think about it.
This leak thing with cap on is BS.


These lens cap on tests are ludicrous beyond belief.
They involve light levels far beyond the meter's range of operation. The meter is designed to produce an image that is 18% grey. Does anyone seriously think that the meter reading in these tests, with or without the LCD light, are registering 18% grey.

Add to that the fact that the EV scale is non-linear and it's hard to see how a rational, informed person could get so hysterical about this. The quantity of light required to shift exposure by 1 stop at these levels becomes a tiny fraction of a stop at real exposure levels - probably less light than leaks into the viewfinder past your eye - and much much less if you happen to look through the viewfinder wearing glasses. 8)

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #105 on: April 08, 2012, 12:05:07 PM »

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #106 on: April 08, 2012, 01:03:36 PM »
Hi all

First post here.

Tried that in my 7D and no problem there. I was courious as i'm interested in the MarkIII and can't believe a 3500USD camera has this problem. In my point of view is not acceptable. For example, that would have ruined some of my long exposure pics (ex Auroras) and I don't understand how so many people call this a non-issue. For a 500USD camera maybe but for a 3500USD one...?

On my side I guess I'll wait a bit more then before commiting to the MarkIII.

br

Do you take pictures with the lenscap on or off ??????????

Thanks for asking. I take most of them with the cap on, I like the look and avoids loosing time with post processing...but seriously, I've taken aurora pics where it was pitch black outside and used to check the time by lighting the LCD (while the pic was being taken). Likelly under that scenario there could have been some shift had I used the Mark3....just speculating.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #107 on: April 08, 2012, 01:36:01 PM »
Hi all

First post here.

Tried that in my 7D and no problem there. I was courious as i'm interested in the MarkIII and can't believe a 3500USD camera has this problem. In my point of view is not acceptable. For example, that would have ruined some of my long exposure pics (ex Auroras) and I don't understand how so many people call this a non-issue. For a 500USD camera maybe but for a 3500USD one...?

On my side I guess I'll wait a bit more then before commiting to the MarkIII.

br

Do you take pictures with the lenscap on or off ??????????

Thanks for asking. I take most of them with the cap on, I like the look and avoids loosing time with post processing...but seriously, I've taken aurora pics where it was pitch black outside and used to check the time by lighting the LCD (while the pic was being taken). Likelly under that scenario there could have been some shift had I used the Mark3....just speculating.
When taking pictures under those conditions, do you use the camera' light meter to set the exposure, or do you set it manually? If you set the exposure manually, how would this issue affect you?

It sounds like this effect is only observed when there is so little light that the sensor is blindly guessing at the exposure. What is the "correct" exposure that the camera should be reporting when the camera has the lens cap on and viewfinder closed?

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #108 on: April 08, 2012, 02:10:49 PM »
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It sounds like this effect is only observed when there is so little light that the sensor is blindly guessing at the exposure. What is the "correct" exposure that the camera should be reporting when the camera has the lens cap on and viewfinder closed?

Exactly.
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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #109 on: April 08, 2012, 03:38:34 PM »
WHY CANON, WHY??? You did not release the 85mpx camera that i wanted and now you totally ruin it telling me that i cannot take pictures with the lens cap on???

I'm so switching to Kodak now!!!






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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #110 on: April 08, 2012, 03:44:57 PM »
WHY CANON, WHY??? You did not release the 85mpx camera that i wanted and now you totally ruin it telling me that i cannot take pictures with the lens cap on???

I'm so switching to Kodak now!!!

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #111 on: April 08, 2012, 03:48:37 PM »
WHY CANON, WHY??? You did not release the 85mpx camera that i wanted and now you totally ruin it telling me that i cannot take pictures with the lens cap on???

I'm so switching to Kodak now!!!

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hahah thanks ;) I'm pretty sure many will blame Canon now for taking underexposed photos.
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« Reply #111 on: April 08, 2012, 03:48:37 PM »

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #112 on: April 08, 2012, 04:16:37 PM »
Hi all

First post here.

Tried that in my 7D and no problem there. I was courious as i'm interested in the MarkIII and can't believe a 3500USD camera has this problem. In my point of view is not acceptable. For example, that would have ruined some of my long exposure pics (ex Auroras) and I don't understand how so many people call this a non-issue. For a 500USD camera maybe but for a 3500USD one...?

On my side I guess I'll wait a bit more then before commiting to the MarkIII.

br

And how, exactly, would this affect your long exposure shots? I just explained that this has no effect when a lens is on instead of the body cap, so unless you're shooting with a cap on, it won't change a thing :p


Dan Chung reported that the 5DIII consistently under exposed by about 2/3 stop compared to the D800. Could this be why?

No. See above.


Thanks for asking. I take most of them with the cap on, I like the look and avoids loosing time with post processing...but seriously, I've taken aurora pics where it was pitch black outside and used to check the time by lighting the LCD (while the pic was being taken). Likelly under that scenario there could have been some shift had I used the Mark3....just speculating.

No, there would've been no shift.


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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #113 on: April 08, 2012, 05:27:26 PM »
so to help you blokes and my own sudden heartattack calm down. I ran two tests.

With lens cap off, (i believe this is how those things are meant to be used)

regular bright light from sun light room + and minus lcs (and a pen light to boot) --> no change

all blinds down closed no lights in room vs lcd and then pen light! --> no change.

ps: i tried with lens cap on and almost gave my self a heartattached because well, in that setting your so called light leak does indeed happen.


So in conclusion, i don't see this as an issue. Just like a power (diamondtipped)chainsaw test failure on integrity isn't an issue.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #114 on: April 08, 2012, 09:24:45 PM »
It sounds like this effect is only observed when there is so little light that the sensor is blindly guessing at the exposure. What is the "correct" exposure that the camera should be reporting when the camera has the lens cap on and viewfinder closed?
I don't think the sensor is blindly guessing - I think it has just stopped searching for a proper exposure setting.  Heres my thoughts why:
I did this crazy test inside a neoprene bag with a lens attached and the lens cap on in a very dark room and got 10 seconds using Aperture Priority.  I was truly expecting to see an under-exposed warning (>30 seconds) in such an extremely dark environment, not a repeatable 10 second exposure setting like others are seeing (see videos and CR Guys notes).  Why didn't I get an under-exposure warning in such a low light condition?  Why isn't the exposure time flashing at 30 seconds, but rather stopping repeatably at 10 seconds?  So I started to think about the metering algorithm.  My guess is the algorithm increases exposure time (2x) and look for some corresponding change in meter reading (2x) (as you would expect in normal use (you know, some light, lens cap off) until it found the optimum exposure), and if it doesn’t get a reading increase change after a few increments it stops its search. 10 seconds at ISO800 seems to be the algorithm limit in the absence of light to the meter. At ISO6400, the time was 1 second. So it seems likely.
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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #115 on: April 08, 2012, 09:46:04 PM »
The SCRUTINY continues! Be careful what you ask for!

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #116 on: April 09, 2012, 04:53:17 AM »
This thread is a very good example of how forums can over analyse things.  If you are doing shots where it is completely dark such as night sky and you are trusting any camera'a meter, then in my opinion you need to learn to shoot at an advanced level.  I do some star trails photography sometimes in the countryside of Northern England, and I shoot only in bulb setting.  You can use the back screen to show what aperture etc things are set at then press the display button again to turn it off before you press the shutter using timer or cable release. 

The nitpicking annoys me.  You can find a way that any electrical item can produce a fault.  Shoot something other than lens caps, and learn to make your own exposure decisions in manual mode.  Shoot compare the histogram if shooting in daylight and reshoot if necessary.  Simples.

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Re: Canon 5D Mark III Light Leak?
« Reply #116 on: April 09, 2012, 04:53:17 AM »