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JR

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2012, 03:57:22 PM »
I just hope they are beeing impartial in the way they actually perform the tests...
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2012, 04:49:20 PM »
It's all about money. DXO is just like any other business.
Sounds great, although some businesses are held to a different standard.  Credit rating agencies come to mind.  It begs the question: why do people on this site care about DXO's rating for the 5DIII if there is an inherent conflict of interest?  They are a business after all.

People are often unable to form their own opinions. Sad state of affairs.
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2012, 06:20:51 PM »
I'm out writing my own opinion about the 5d3. It doesn't involve one single written word. It's the fact that the images I got this easter of my kids, couldn't be done the way they were with anything else. That's all I care about.  ::)

Buy one, get used to it, like it or sell it. That is the only thing that will tell you for certain.
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2012, 06:32:03 PM »
I'm out writing my own opinion about the 5d3. It doesn't involve one single written word. It's the fact that the images I got this easter of my kids, couldn't be done the way they were with anything else. That's all I care about.  ::)

Buy one, get used to it, like it or sell it. That is the only thing that will tell you for certain.

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2012, 06:38:00 PM »
I'm out writing my own opinion about the 5d3. It doesn't involve one single written word. It's the fact that the images I got this easter of my kids, couldn't be done the way they were with anything else. That's all I care about.  ::)

Buy one, get used to it, like it or sell it. That is the only thing that will tell you for certain.

Well said...in the end it is about taking pictures!
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2012, 06:48:08 PM »
I got my 5d III the week before last.  I am sure both those organizations got one from at least the first shipped batch.  Why is it taking so long to come out with anything other than a preview?  Are they running into issues? 

I am pretty happy with the 5d3, although the wife is a little mad about the price.

I am really curious about how low the DXOMark score will be and if it is causing them to rethink their test.  I just think they might worry it would damage what credibility they have if the nikon 800 had a 95 and the 5d3 had a 85 or so.  They clearly are not that far apart unless the Nikon lenses are really holding them back.  I don't think that is the case given he zeiss comparisons Lensrentals did.

they would damage their credibility if they adjusted their test to make the 5DmkIII score better  8) so no, that's not the reason. More likely they are just swampped with other things.

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2012, 02:53:56 PM »
LOL apparently the reason for delayed DxO evaluation of the mark III is because they have not been able to get their hands on a production sample  :D

http://forum.dxomark.com/index.php/topic,720.0.html

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2012, 04:18:37 PM »
Attacking the integrity of the Dx0 testing labs and then wondering if it is a conspiracy that they are delaying their disreputable work is somewhat funny.

My most important resource is myself. I need to know what I intend to use the new camera/lens for and what I hope to gain by making a new purchase. Then I read away only at sources I trust to sort out what I need to be concerned about in making my trade-offs. As an informed buyer I should not be surprised. All the cameras I have bought had much more features at purchase time than I had skill... and they all had limitations. My 5D Mark III is no exception. I hope to master it and improve as a photographer as I do.

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2012, 07:30:51 PM »
If I already have *MY* grubby little hands on a 5d3, why doesn't a website like DXO have one yet?! Weird.
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2012, 07:36:06 PM »
LOL apparently the reason for delayed DxO evaluation of the mark III is because they have not been able to get their hands on a production sample  :D

http://forum.dxomark.com/index.php/topic,720.0.html

This is really odd indeed!  Am sure I can get them one quickly!  I guess they are not on Canon "preferred" list, if ever such list exist!

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2012, 12:26:15 AM »
If I already have *MY* grubby little hands on a 5d3, why doesn't a website like DXO have one yet?! Weird.
Nikon didn't send them one :D
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2012, 07:49:52 AM »
Attacking the integrity of the Dx0 testing labs and then wondering if it is a conspiracy that they are delaying their disreputable work is somewhat funny.
Potentially questioning DxO's integrity, not attacking it.  There was no allegation of a conspiracy.  Rather, I noted that there are other means of conveying bias than orienting the tests so that they favor the Nikon.  They can do this alone without conspiring with Nikon or third parties.  Bottom line: it is a critical analysis, but not one that alleges improper conduct.  Please do not misconstrue my words.

I don't think they don't favor a brand per se or orient their results to favor anybody. Their test is always the same and it isn't reformulated on a per camera basis to help or sink a particular body. They simply start with a fixed criteria and methods and carry judgement on those results. Nikon's choices simply score better because they more closely resemble their interpretation of what is important in an imaging sensor. It could have been the case Canon or Sony would have been the best if those companies had chosen different designs and specs on their sensors. DXO simply provides a ruler. If you're not 7 feet tall, changing the ruler doesn't change the fact you're not 7 feet tall.

the bottom line is that no matter who wins, they'll get accused of biased so I see no reason why they should change anything  ;)

nothing stops canon from improving the resolution and dynamic range of their bodies and until they don't, they will simply not do very well on these normalized tests. this is entirely canon's fault, not dxo's.

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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2012, 07:57:20 AM »
We're not far from starting a ranking of camera and lenses review sites...

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DXO tests description: "they provide tests where Canon doesn't win because of criteria mostly based on sensor and dynamic range. DXO can blame themselves for being so low in our rank"
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2012, 08:00:47 AM »
We're not far from starting a ranking of camera and lenses review sites...

DXO tests description: "they provide tests where Canon doesn't win because of criteria mostly based on sensor and dynamic range. DXO can blame themselves for being so low in our rank" :)

Not a bad idea!
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2012, 08:15:34 AM »
I lost quite a bit of faith in DXOMark after they tested the 70-200 f/2.8 IS II and found it to be significantly worse than the v1 in terms of resolution, and refused the possibility of a subaverage sample.

Their sensor tests may still be good, though.
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Re: Why so long on the DXOMark and DPReviews?
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