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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2011, 11:14:34 AM »
Having just bought a 60D, i'm actually releaved this is just another repackaging of the 7D/60D/550D core. If they had improved the sensor/digic i'd have been a bit miffed.
The flippy screen is becoming a must have for video enabled camera's so you can clearly see it needed in the entry rebel level SLR camera's.

What i'm always using and learning to love on the 60D is the dual dial controls - initially very fiddely but now much quicker than the single front wheel dial of the 400D i had before.
The other thing we expect the 600D not to have is the top LCD screen - another time saver as you get used to it.
So a good mix of core components that leaves (with the features mentioned above) just enough space between models.
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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2011, 11:14:34 AM »

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2011, 12:09:17 PM »
What i'm always using and learning to love on the 60D is the dual dial controls - initially very fiddely but now much quicker than the single front wheel dial of the 400D i had before.

Totally aggree with you. Once you got used to the second dial, it's like a must-have feature. I couldn't live without it :) Also, did you notice the shutter sound is a lot cooler and more "serious" as compared to the Rebel? :D

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2011, 12:24:27 PM »
it's a rebel with a very clear cause; the same cause that all other rebels have -- to go out and sell like hotcakes and make canon very profitable.
Absolutely!

Here's another cause: it'll make the T2i come down in price.

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2011, 12:37:31 PM »
I owned a 40D then upgraded to a 5DII. I recently added a 60D and would not even consider a rebel series because of the following:

awkward handling compared to 60D
Lack of dual control dials
lack of pentaprism
slow frame rate

I think the 60D also has better AF performance. The swivel screen is great upgrade though. If you are only going to use it for video, then it's worth considering the rebel over 60D.

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2011, 01:10:18 PM »
I think it is kind of funny how much people worry about Canon lossing 1Ds customers to 5D or xxD customers to xxxD. Guys wake up Sony beat Nikon in UK. Competion is big. Do you guys think that Canon's main concern is losing it's own customers to again itself  :P When users pick a 5D over a 1D, Canon is still making the money and not the rivals. So, what is Canon supposed to do? Not make 5D mark III very good so that there is a reason to buy 1Ds :) Are there any guarantees that customers will not jump ship if Canon does not make each of it's products very good in order to make the more expensive models more appealing.

I think Canon is (and should be) more worried about losing market share to Sony, Panasonic and Nikon. I think Canon and you guys should be less worried about Canon losing business to itself :) Let the 5D mark III kick 1Ds ass and Rebels kick xxd ass :) This way Canon keeps the profits and we get better Cameras for less..So everybody in the Canon Universe stays happy :)


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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2011, 01:17:40 PM »
I think it is kind of funny how much people worry about Canon lossing 1Ds customers to 5D or xxD customers to xxxD. Guys wake up Sony beat Nikon in UK. Competion is big. Do you guys think that Canon's main concern is losing it's own customers to again itself  :P When users pick a 5D over a 1D, Canon is still making the money and not the rivals. So, what is Canon supposed to do? Not make 5D mark III very good so that there is a reason to buy 1Ds :) Are there any guarantees that customers will not jump ship if Canon does not make each of it's products very good in order to make the more expensive models more appealing.

I think Canon is (and should be) more worried about losing market share to Sony, Panasonic and Nikon. I think Canon and you guys should be less worried about Canon losing business to itself :) Let the 5D mark III kick 1Ds ass and Rebels kick xxd ass :) This way Canon keeps the profits and we get better Cameras for less..So everybody in the Canon Universe stays happy :)

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2011, 01:30:50 PM »
Well, I don't think it's that people want the Rebels to such. But all the new tech comes out on the higher end cameras first and then trickles down to the Rebels later. Which tends to make Rebel announcements a little boring and non interesting. There isn't a feature of the 600D that we haven't already seen in another camera.
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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2011, 02:11:44 PM »
There's still plenty to differentiate the xxD and xxxD series - essentially the same stuff that has always separated their non-D analogues (no pun intended) in the film world:

* Size (xxxD will always be smaller and lighter)
* Build Quality (Maybe the 60D doesn't have the full-metal jacket of the pre-60D bodies, but neither did the film bodies. Still better than any xxx series)
* Handling (second control dial, metering, AF, information display)
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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 02:52:47 AM »
The rebels although not as good as the higher priced cameras, they still remain great cameras for their target.

From history, the 18mp sensor was expected, as we should also expect an improved noise and dynamic range too.  The camera has to be tested to see the real benefit of this upgrade.
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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2011, 07:44:54 AM »
That will make it almost like a 60D except the size and the grip.  What is the point of having this model??

 a small form factor is always good. ever taken a camera overseas ;)


the differences between the 60D and the 600D becomes less and less with newer models to the point where you could probably the same thing about the 60D and its successor if the changes are incremental.


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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2011, 02:36:45 PM »
That will make it almost like a 60D except the size and the grip.  What is the point of having this model??

 a small form factor is always good. ever taken a camera overseas ;)


My 20D and 40D (with  3 lenses) have travelled to every continent of the world, including Antarctica.  For me, handling and speed is more important than the slight decrease in size and  weight.  With  the L lenses, the additional size and weight of the body becomes insignificant.

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2011, 03:38:29 PM »
The rebels although not as good as the higher priced cameras, they still remain great cameras for their target.

From history, the 18mp sensor was expected, as we should also expect an improved noise and dynamic range too.  The camera has to be tested to see the real benefit of this upgrade.

Same sensor + same digic IV = same image, no improved noise or DR.

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 06:52:46 PM »
That will make it almost like a 60D except the size and the grip.  What is the point of having this model??

 a small form factor is always good. ever taken a camera overseas ;)


the differences between the 60D and the 600D becomes less and less with newer models to the point where you could probably the same thing about the 60D and its successor if the changes are incremental.

form factor preference is massively dependent on the form factor of the person using the camera.

I can't hold a T2i for more than a few minutes before my hand cramps.  I can, however, walk around all day with a 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II on a 5D Mark II body, and have flown with said combination.

it is disappointing that the digital camera realm is currently very size-ist, discriminating against those who prefer small cameras over those who prefer large cameras.  for my wife, she is limited to the technology of the XXXD lineup (and now maybe the 60D) simply due to the fact that she can't shoot comfortably with anything larger

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 06:52:46 PM »

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 07:15:41 PM »
That will make it almost like a 60D except the size and the grip.  What is the point of having this model??

 a small form factor is always good. ever taken a camera overseas ;)


the differences between the 60D and the 600D becomes less and less with newer models to the point where you could probably the same thing about the 60D and its successor if the changes are incremental.

form factor preference is massively dependent on the form factor of the person using the camera.

I can't hold a T2i for more than a few minutes before my hand cramps.  I can, however, walk around all day with a 70-200 f/2.8 L IS II on a 5D Mark II body, and have flown with said combination.

it is disappointing that the digital camera realm is currently very size-ist, discriminating against those who prefer small cameras over those who prefer large cameras.  for my wife, she is limited to the technology of the XXXD lineup (and now maybe the 60D) simply due to the fact that she can't shoot comfortably with anything larger

Right, ideally the size of the camera would not have anything to do with the size of the sensor. Think back to 35mm film and this was the case: all cameras used the same "sensor" (film), just the body was different. But with other manufacturers doing interesting things (m4/3 and APS-C in compact), maybe she needs to think non-Canon.

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2011, 08:43:36 PM »
I have nothing against the size or weight of the Rebel series. My complain is the size of the grip of the Rebel series. If Canon makes the grip sticks out another 1/4 "more , and make the grip another 1/8" thicker, it will be a lot more comfortable in the hand.  Just look at the entry level of Nikons'. They are they about same size and weight of the rebel and they are  a lot more comfortable to be held. It all in the grip.

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Re: 600D/T3i Specs [CR2]
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