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Canon 650D - sensor size?
« on: April 11, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »
Any rumours on the sensor Mp size for this next body in the popular APS-C range - and when it is due out?

The 450D had 12.2 Mp sensor

500D had 15.1 Mp

550D/600D have 18.0 Mp

650D - 22 or 24 Mp?

If you are shooting smallish targets requiring cropping then increasing pixel density on the same sensor must be beneficial to image quality - same size image but more pixels covering it?

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Canon 650D - sensor size?
« on: April 11, 2012, 01:20:04 PM »

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 02:04:09 PM »
Any rumours on the sensor Mp size for this next body in the popular APS-C range - and when it is due out?

The 450D had 12.2 Mp sensor

500D had 15.1 Mp

550D/600D have 18.0 Mp

650D - 22 or 24 Mp?

If you are shooting smallish targets requiring cropping then increasing pixel density on the same sensor must be beneficial to image quality - same size image but more pixels covering it?

There have been some vague rumours about the 650D coming out in the near future but nothing definate in terms of dates or specs.

If it comes out before the 7D mk2 or the 70D I'd guess it will most likely use the old 7D 18 MP sensor again.

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2012, 02:05:14 PM »
Senzor size is not = to pixel density.
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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 02:10:04 PM »
Including the 350D (8 MP) and 450D (10 MP) the MP numerical series might be converging:
8,10,12,15,18,18,18,...
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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 03:56:52 AM »
Just seen the D3200 (24Mp) 100% crop sample image on Nikon Rumours.
Ultra smooth - very impressive!
If the 650D comes out with say 20Mp on board it will be bad for Canon and they will have an uphill job convincing anyone new to DSLR photography to choose their brand!!
When you need 100% size images the more Mp the better.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2012, 04:09:23 AM by FarQinell »

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 05:44:35 AM »
If the 650D comes out with say 20Mp on board it will be bad for Canon and they will have an uphill job convincing anyone new to DSLR photography to choose their brand!!
When you need 100% size images the more Mp the better.

yeah and every entry level customer who buys a cheap D3200 prints billboard sized images... LOL.
do a reality check!   

as for cropping. it´s a marginal benefit.
do the math how much more resolution 24MP is compard to 18MP.
read: RESOLUTION... not megapixels.

for enty level DSLR customers the MP number SHOULD have no meaning today, all DSLR cameras offer plenty.
but i guess MP is what still sells for soccer mums.


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If the 650D comes out with say 20Mp on board it will be bad for Canon and they will have an uphill job convincing anyone new to DSLR photography to choose their brand!!

i wonder how nikon has survived all the years....  ::)
« Last Edit: April 20, 2012, 05:52:50 AM by Astro »

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 05:55:18 AM »
i wonder how nikon has survived all the years....  ::)
Nikon has survived with lower than Canon sales ::)
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 05:59:29 AM »
i wonder how nikon has survived all the years....  ::)
Nikon has survived with lower than Canon sales ::)

so you say canon users are mostly megapixel noobs? :)

and i thought it´s because of the fancy white lenses.....


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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 05:59:48 AM »
My bet is that it will be a 22.1 mpix that is a video enhanced sensor and that is 5760x3840. Like for the 5D3, this means a size divisible by the width of HD video - 1920 - for ease of downsampling. This sensor will then be used in 70D and then 7D2. There will later be a 7Dc coming. That's also why the April fool rumors of a 5Dc might not be so wrong after all. I think Canon has been marveling and bathing in contentment at the EOS-Movie thing that actually came, I guess, unexpected. Maybe predicting the decline of DSLR's vs mirror-less, they decided to change course of the ship full-steam to video. Let's see how this 650D comes out. If it comes with same old 18 mp, well, that's not too good. Nokia is nearing bankruptcy by producing models that customers did not want to buy anymore ... 


   

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 06:04:48 AM »
you've prob more than enough already....

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 06:10:18 AM »
Any rumours on the sensor Mp size for this next body in the popular APS-C range - and when it is due out?

Nobody knows, and those few who know have signed a nda. But one thing is sure after Nikon's budget high mp release: They cannot do another small upgrade like 550d->600d or they will get stomped because it's one thing having older inferior tech, but it's another to release something new that is outdated to start with like their 18mp sensor.

yeah and every entry level customer who buys a cheap D3200 prints billboard sized images... LOL.
do a reality check!

*check* ... reality is that mom's and dad's computer don't have any issue wrestling with a 24mp jpegs  these days and they don't do extensive pp. And if the dr and noise (esp. downsized) is ok soccer mum very much would like to crop to get her son on the other end of the field because her purchase didn't include a tele lens.

I think you're contradicting yourself: If speaking of mp, you're saying people don't need them - and a the same time the resolution is not that much larger, so why not if the technology allows for it? It sure is a small benefit, but not a much larger one than jumping from 18mp crop to 21mp mk2 for the last years. I didn't hear many 5d2 users say "Don't get it! 21mp is insane! You don't need it!" during the last years. And now there are few 5d3 users advising their fellow photos "22mp? Oh no! I'd have liked 12!".

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 06:12:33 AM »
Nobody knows, and those few who know have signed a nda. But one thing is sure after Nikon's budget high mp release: They cannot do another small upgrade like 550d->600d or they will get stomped because it's one thing having older inferior tech, but it's another to release something new that is outdated to start with like their 18mp sensor.


well yes i forgot, there are still some out there who think a sensor design is only measured by megapixels....  ::)

that is why nikon will not sell the D4 i guess.   ;)

if canon will bring an improved 18MP sensor, then i guess many of the educated customers will be very happy with it.

if its the SAME 18 MP sensor.. well yes then it gets a a bit long in the tooth.


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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 06:15:41 AM »
My bet is that it will be a 22.1 mpix   

I think that's pretty unlikely. The Nikon D800 is pushing up against diffraction limits, and this would go well beyond that because of the APS-C sensor size. It is simply not practical to go much higher than the 7D in terms of APS-C sensors.

Also, the data handling requirements of this would require faster processors and path handling, which I admit is a possibility, but Canon will not wish to cannibalise the higher end market.

If this MP is achievable in APS-C I would expect to see it in a 7D2, if anywhere, but I suspect the image quality would be pants due to noise and diffraction, particularly in the non-L lenses likely to be in use at the lower end of the market.

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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 06:19:03 AM »
My bet is that it will be a 22.1 mpix   

I think that's pretty unlikely. The Nikon D800 is pushing up against diffraction limits, and this would go well beyond that because of the APS-C sensor size. It is simply not practical to go much higher than the 7D in terms of APS-C sensors.

Also, the data handling requirements of this would require faster processors and path handling, which I admit is a possibility, but Canon will not wish to cannibalise the higher end market.

If this MP is achievable in APS-C I would expect to see it in a 7D2, if anywhere, but I suspect the image quality would be pants due to noise and diffraction, particularly in the non-L lenses likely to be in use at the lower end of the market.

the D3200 is 24MP on aps-c... so i don´t see a problem why canon could not do 21MP if they want.

if the user needs it.. that´s another question open for discussion.

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Re: Canon 650D - sensor size?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 06:20:39 AM »
well yes i forgot, there are still some out there who think a sensor design is only measured by megapixels.... that is why nikon will not sell the D4 i guess.

The d4 won't sell only because it's got cleaner shots with more nr, but because of hundreds of other reasons that matter to pro photogs - like previous Nikon pro bodies with much less mps did. Even *if* the d3200 had the same iq as the d4 this wouldn't change.

But if you're implying that the people who see Nikon's 24mp body as a threat to Canon's entry dlsr line cannot tell mp from noise or dynamic range, I'm pressed to say that imho that's very near trolling.

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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 06:20:39 AM »