CANON U.S.A. INTRODUCES EOS-1D C DIGITAL SLR CAMERA FEATURING 4K HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAPTURE

[JR]

So i guess this new 1dc will have the same 61 point af system ?  Really feels like a recycle of the 1dx for a different market segment.

[JR]

18 MP sensor - same as the 1D X.

Basically, seems to be a 1D X with minor changes - headphone port instead of flash sync connector, supposedly better heat management, and obviously different firmware.  Oh, and that red "C" on the front.   

And you pay double the price for this little red C!

 

[JustinTArthur]

I'd buy one if I could afford it. It's priced close to the Red Scarlet-X's Canon mount package and the high-ISO performance is bound to be best-in-class.

[Astro]

so the rumors about more MP are just wrong.

[Shawn_Lights]

The price may change just like the C300 did. The C300 was listed at $20,000.

Honestly this camera is attacking the Red Scarlet and I think it's awesome and priced right.  However, that $5k - $8k range is important. Canon needs to put something there. Hell, change the price of this 4K DSLR to $8k and people will be amazed.

If I had the money, I'll get this camera. It's what I want, just priced out of my range. I'll rent it for when I shoot a feature for sure.

It may come down in price by the time it's available. Currently it's too close to the C300 and I'm sure they'll want to set them apart by at least $3k.

[DavidRiesenberg]

This is aimed at the pro market. Those who can't afford it probably don't need more than what the Mk III offers. They want more, but really, they don't need more.

Well, "wants" spends more money than "needs" and people are unhappy not because this cam is so expensive but because Canon seems to have neglected the low end market so far including crippling the 5D3 in the video department.

[DavidRiesenberg]

And you pay double the price for this little red C!

 

What will truly be epic is if the Magic Lantern team manages to unlock some of those C features on the X.
In all fairness, it seems that Canon is pulling an old trick from the Nvidia playbook by releasing two products with very similar hardware but with a huge price gap since one of the intended markets can support it.

[dswatson83]

I think Canon forgot about the competition in this market. RED, Sony, and Panasonic have cameras for less are about equal if not better (except the Panasonic) and will be released sooner. How many thousands of dollars could they have saved if they pulled the 61point af, complex metering system, and some other photo features. I could buy a 5D mark III & a Sony FS700 or a RED system for $15,000

[dkingentertainment]

So long canon I'm selling my 5d mark II and moving on to the Sony Nex fs700 for around 8,000.00 and many are doing the same! Canon is putting out what they want and not what people are demanding. They are not even trying to address the competition. This lets me know that they are all about a dollar and so am I! So, I'm spending my money elsewhere. Sorry Team Canon but we have other options now. Keep your DSLR for 15,000 body. More than the Scarlet, you can't be serious.

[preppyak]

I don't understand why they left all the high-end still features on board, I mean there are so many awesome cameras out there, hell you could get 2 FS700's for this, WTF Canon?

You do know none of those FS-700's will do 4k though. Gonna cost you more for that firmware upgrade and output box. Oh, and you start at ISO 500, not 100.

More than the Scarlet, you can't be serious.

Actually, by the time you get a Scarlett you can film with, its about the same price. And the Canon will shoot to a convenient format (CF cards), rather than a proprietary RED hard drive that costs 10x as much.

http://www.red.com/store/scarlet/product/scarlet-x-al-canon-mount-package

[Axilrod]

$10,000 was my limit for this thing, I mean how many cameras do they need at the $15k mark?  There are going to be numerous 4K offerings at NAB and I guarantee you some of them will be 1/2 the price of this thing.  I really thought they were going with the DSLR form factor to make a camera that was 4K but still affordable. 

[Axilrod]

I think Canon forgot about the competition in this market. RED, Sony, and Panasonic have cameras for less are about equal if not better (except the Panasonic) and will be released sooner. How many thousands of dollars could they have saved if they pulled the 61point af, complex metering system, and some other photo features. I could buy a 5D mark III & a Sony FS700 or a RED system for $15,000

That's what I've been screaming, I think leaving all the still features of the 1DX on this camera was a mistake, it's a cinema camera after all, do you really need 12fps?  It's like a Super 1DX with added features, it seems if they had made it a dedicated video camera they could have easily kept the price under $10k. 

[Axilrod]

You do know none of those FS-700's will do 4k though. Gonna cost you more for that firmware upgrade and output box. Oh, and you start at ISO 500, not 100.

I didn't say anything about ISO, dont know where that came from, I guess you're suggesting it's a disadvantage, but the FS700 has built-in ND's so it's not that big of an issue.  And I know the FS700 won't do 4k out of the box, but it's still capable of it.

[CanineCandidsByL]

Just to say something nice, it looks weird in a cool way.  I'd love to just hold one for a few minutes.

Its way out of my league. I'll need this under the 6k price before I could consider it, and I don't really expect that for a few more years.

[ces416]

mmmmm.... I think the important thing to remember is that Canon is dealing with two shoppers.  The video people and the photo people.  This is most likely a "photo people" product.  My guess is the canon video team (not cinema eos team)  has worked a long time to achieve, 4k in a camera.  and now they have.  It's novelty.

here's the thing.  99.99% of us have no business shooting 4k.  Our stuff will end up at best on a nice 1080 progressive television screen. Most likely the web. All the James Cameron's and Peter Jackson's of tomorrow do.  And I guarantee you they aren't going to make their movie in 4:2:2 color space. 

That is why the Alexa does so well.  It's got itself into the digital cinema market with a modest resolution of 2k
format.  The Pro Res formats are an editors candy.  and it has Great frame rates and color depth that you can't dream up.  It's great for commercials and television in general.  Of course it's also $65,000.

The other thing is the wrapper.
 If you are going to use this as a video camera, You probably plan on editing your footage.
The professional world has spoken.  Nobody wants to edit 4:2:0 h.264 anymore.  The professional wants 10 or 12 bit large files full of dazzling information to control and manipulate how we please.

my wish list:
I hope THE cinema EOS team is working on...
1.  Canon 10 or 12 bit raw video format.
2.  Perhaps a more affordable version of the C300 <---(Which I love)
3.  and maybe 60p at 1080p with a workable video format that isn't h.264

I think the c300 is awesome I got to use it this week for the first time.  I can't wait to see what they come
out with next.

What is any non professional going to do with 4k?