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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2012, 10:37:16 AM »
you can use the 300 without a tripod, but i would recommend to use a tripod anyway. especially if you're shooting subjects that are above you, it can get heavy (pointing the lens upwards in an angle. if you guys know what i mean. don't know another way to say this :P). your arms will get tired and you will have a harder time to keep the lens steady. the IS helps a great deal though, but won't be enough.

also, when lying on the ground, it's great to have a ricebag or tripod (on wich you can put the lens as low as possible to the ground) to relieve the weight from your arms.
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2012, 11:35:16 AM »
Thanks for the beanbag/ricebag advice...did not think about, but similar concept to upward shooting  ::) .
 
I could use tripod when sitting, but not laying down.
 
I have a buddy that will lend me a gimbal head to test drive once I make a decision.  Is a gimbal head overkill, good idea or a necessity?
 
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2012, 12:30:09 PM »
First off, there are two pre-IS 400mm f/2.8 L lenses from Canon. I own the Mk II and it is phenomenally sharp. I have been told the Mk I lens did not use modern coatings and has much worse IQ. So, if you are going to go with a non-IS 400mm f/2.8, get the Mk II. I shot this entire gallery(with the exception of the anteater) with mine at f/2.8 on the 5D Mk III. I used a monopod and had no problem keeping it steady enough, but this was in bright daylight with a shutter speed around 1/750s. This lens is heavy, so be prepared for that. Also, it's worth noting that the 5D Mk III's AF works much better with this lens than the 5D Mk II...at least I have noticed much less hunting.

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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2012, 08:42:31 AM »
First off, there are two pre-IS 400mm f/2.8 L lenses from Canon.

Thanks, Ben.  Do you know when they made that production change?  most date codes I have seen look to be in late 1990's, so thinking that would be the MkII (?)
 
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2012, 09:33:15 AM »
First off, there are two pre-IS 400mm f/2.8 L lenses from Canon.

Thanks, Ben.  Do you know when they made that production change?  most date codes I have seen look to be in late 1990's, so thinking that would be the MkII (?)
 
Really nice pix !

According to the Canon museum, 1996: http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/super_telephoto/ef_400_28lii_usm.html

The second one is clearly labeled II. I will take a picture of mine tonight.

Also, Dano.. I see you live in Pennsylvania. If you feel like driving down the Washington DC area (I live in Alexandria, VA) you are welcome to try mine out.
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2012, 03:29:49 AM »
Thanks for the beanbag/ricebag advice...did not think about, but similar concept to upward shooting  ::) .
 
I could use tripod when sitting, but not laying down.
 
I have a buddy that will lend me a gimbal head to test drive once I make a decision.  Is a gimbal head overkill, good idea or a necessity?
so far i have only used a normal ballhead, but i do think a gimbal head is a good idea. it's on my wish list to buy.
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2012, 04:09:26 AM »
Thanks for the beanbag/ricebag advice...did not think about, but similar concept to upward shooting  ::) .
 
I could use tripod when sitting, but not laying down.
 
I have a buddy that will lend me a gimbal head to test drive once I make a decision.  Is a gimbal head overkill, good idea or a necessity?

Have to be careful about that ricebag... Don't use real rice if you're in tropical areas. I tried a DIY one, was fine till one day I found beetles all over my bag... was wondering where they came from, especially when they kept reappearing despite multiple "vaccuum treatments"... Finally realised it was from the bag =(

That said, I made a new one with a handful or two of uh... "borrowed" styrofoam beans from my sister's beanbag... Works a charm. Might want to get be wary of getting it damp though - I carry a waterproof foam mat around for that as well, just in case.

And if you're lying down a lot, you can always consider a yoga mat from Kmart or Target or whatever store is near you - they're cheap, light, easy to carry around in a pinch if you ever want to do some low angle shooting



Sorry, gone off tangent. Get the 300mm IS imo, even with a monopod the 400 isn't going to be easy to handle

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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2012, 07:30:12 AM »
Ben-  I am trying to plan a long weekend to take the kids to DC in the fall.  Thanks for the offer.  I may take you up on that.
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2012, 07:35:27 AM »
@ D.Sim & xROELOFx - thanks for the feedback.  More things to consider in the process.  Leaning toward the 300 due to size and IS.  Fortunately, not a pressing timeline, so I can change my mind a few more times.
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2012, 08:17:41 AM »
Thanks for the beanbag/ricebag advice...did not think about, but similar concept to upward shooting  ::) .
 
I could use tripod when sitting, but not laying down.
 
I have a buddy that will lend me a gimbal head to test drive once I make a decision.  Is a gimbal head overkill, good idea or a necessity?

Have to be careful about that ricebag... Don't use real rice if you're in tropical areas. I tried a DIY one, was fine till one day I found beetles all over my bag... was wondering where they came from, especially when they kept reappearing despite multiple "vaccuum treatments"... Finally realised it was from the bag =(

That said, I made a new one with a handful or two of uh... "borrowed" styrofoam beans from my sister's beanbag... Works a charm. Might want to get be wary of getting it damp though - I carry a waterproof foam mat around for that as well, just in case.
i got a bean/rice bag filled with these kind of things: https://www.lowlandphotoservice.nl/granulaatkorrels/440-rjs-granulaat-korrels-lichtbruin.html. the website is in dutch, but i guess there's similar products to be found in your country. they are lighter than rice (about 1 third lighter) and don't attract beetles :P
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2012, 08:25:54 AM »
Thanks for the beanbag/ricebag advice...did not think about, but similar concept to upward shooting  ::) .
 
I could use tripod when sitting, but not laying down.
 
I have a buddy that will lend me a gimbal head to test drive once I make a decision.  Is a gimbal head overkill, good idea or a necessity?

Have to be careful about that ricebag... Don't use real rice if you're in tropical areas. I tried a DIY one, was fine till one day I found beetles all over my bag... was wondering where they came from, especially when they kept reappearing despite multiple "vaccuum treatments"... Finally realised it was from the bag =(

That said, I made a new one with a handful or two of uh... "borrowed" styrofoam beans from my sister's beanbag... Works a charm. Might want to get be wary of getting it damp though - I carry a waterproof foam mat around for that as well, just in case.
i got a bean/rice bag filled with these kind of things: https://www.lowlandphotoservice.nl/granulaatkorrels/440-rjs-granulaat-korrels-lichtbruin.html. the website is in dutch, but i guess there's similar products to be found in your country. they are lighter than rice (about 1 third lighter) and don't attract beetles :P

If its organic, it'll attract beetles. Or mold. Probably get moldy if you don't take care of it either way, but foodstuff does move ever so faster... which is an unfortunate site effect of living in the tropics

Those things look rather... hard though =/
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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2012, 09:44:44 AM »
They look like some type of recycled plastic material.  looking for my (Dutch to English) translator button to read the description.  Fortunately, I do not do much tropical travel, but moisture is everywhere.
 
@D.Sim - did your sister ever figure out you were the "borrower"?  I have two sisters and that would have been an interesting "discussion".
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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2012, 09:57:26 AM »
They look like some type of recycled plastic material.  looking for my (Dutch to English) translator button to read the description.  Fortunately, I do not do much tropical travel, but moisture is everywhere.
 
@D.Sim - did your sister ever figure out you were the "borrower"?  I have two sisters and that would have been an interesting "discussion".

Well, as beanbags go, they tend to... deflate over time, if you will. Especially when theres a small hole in the corner that allows beans to fall out....  ;)

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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2012, 09:02:20 AM »
Hey gang, as part of the "oh, by the way" discovery process, now I need to consider a bag or pack to tote one of these monsters to/from the ball fields.


Think Tank Galss Taxi looks good, but sure there are many more option out there


What do you use?  Do you keep strap attached?


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Re: 300/2.8 L (IS MK1) or 400/2.8 L (non-IS)
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2012, 10:34:26 AM »
For my 400mm 2.8, I originally I used the hard case that it came in.  I want all the protection I can get.  Then I added an acrca-swiss plate and it would not fit.  Now I use a wheeled pelican case.  Also heavy but hey, it protects my investment, and I can sit stand on it.  My monopod is long enough that I can stand on the pelican, getting me over the heads of others.

I keep a small bike lock in the pelican so if I'm going to leave the empty case someplace while I move on the sidelines of a game, it's not going to walk away.

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